i'm happy to see some people using logic.

i'd argue the MW3 considering over the yrs PS360 sells of COD have become closer over the yrs but it definatly still favors MS.

If the Xbox 360 coudn't beat the PS3 last year with its half a million marketing campagin for Kinect why does Microsoft think it will do it this year?
PS3 has outsold the 360 2 years in a row(2009, 2010). So far it looks to do the same this year.

It's not blind hope or faith and I'm not saying Microsoft are infallible at all, if they came out and said 'Oh Disneyland adventures will propel us to 1st place' then I'd start to worry and agree with you lot. It's just confidence. The E3 announcement, the dedicated interviews, the update everytime we get a new NPD. Do you honestly think they they're doing all that on a hunch? really?

I'm quite surprised so many are in denial and ignorant of the way MS have been conducting themselves over this the last 4/5 months, it isn't simple marketing spiel like 'We'll be first this gen' something no-one could possibly realistically predict, it's obviously come from internal data that covers a short period in the near future, something far far easier to predict.

My reasoning is Microsoft initiating Kinect perfectly this christmas. To casuals Kinect is a console, they see Kinect on tv (with 360 obviously) and they go to the store and they ask for a Kinect 360. It's selling like a console. I'd also like to see updated shipment figures (although I don't doubt at all that it's slowed down, just not as much as we have shown here, imo).

To say 'oh it's not a new product' is such ... I don't know, damage control? No console (from my memory) peaked in its first holiday. Why would casuals lap up Kinect last xmas and then not care again, but they would for every other casual centric thing? You're not thinking in their boots. What exactly is your reasoning for consoles peaking typically in their third year and Kinect not? It has its own mindshare (heck the most last christmas) its own games, its own price point etc.

My basis is Microsoft will cut the price, I don't believe they think they can do it without that, they're just waiting for the perfect opportunity. If they got the Kinect bundle down to mass market price (Vs $299 last xmas) that's a $100 cut they can advertise with Kinect. Advertising sequels is perfectly fine, look at Just Dance 2. $100 bundle cut, advertising the kinect games, along with the hoopla of their 10th anniversary and new dashboard update as well as the TV offerings, will cause a big buzz in the U.S as well as no shortages this time around.

I reserve judgement on how the PS3 will do this holiday, until I see their Q3 shipments. I would say Wii is more of a threat than PS3 though. If you have a casual hit during christmas, a core console beating it is an uphill struggle. You seem to forget who the market belongs to during the holidays.

Also didn't analysts put PS3 at 10% above 360 for H1? If they were correct and we were wrong (I'm sure it's perfectly feasible it could be vice versa) then the gap is 240k larger than it should be.

This argument would be wrong, though. Or perhaps just quite flawed by looking at too small a picture. If you'd like I can explain, because I have once or twice before on here.

Don't bother, people here are generally ignorant. You made a point, you gave good reasoning, and thats the best you will get here on anything that isn't Sony.

I agree with you that for 2011 it's possible for the 360 to at least match the PS3. Ms doesn't even really need a price cut. They just need to up the hard drive space for the Arcade pack, and advertize that as their primary console. You don't need to install games on 360, I still use my 14GB original hard drive and I have extra space (although I have to delete old DLC). 40GB is more then enough without ever having to delete DLC.

Ms could probably curpass PS3, just by doing the above, a $50 price cut on Kinect, and bundle some good games like Halo, and Alan Wake.

Just a side point: Sont themselves have stated (there is an article on VGC), that they will not sacrifice profits to surpass 360 in sales. So for that reason I do not believe the PS3 will catch up in sales to the 360. Also just looking at Microsofts sales strategy (they have many opportunities to cut price, and regain leading sales without software), MS is really just trying to squeeze out as much profit for the 360 as they can. I mean right now the equivalent 360 is price $50 more then a PS3, and it's been at this price point for 2 years. How can the cheaper system, be more expensive?

If PS3 wins this year, it will do it by no more then 500k.

o no not you again lol!

i disagree with Seece but its possible, and highly unlikely to happen.  he made a great arguement but alot of things would have to go rigth and wrong for this to happen. 

i hate this thread because of wht its doing, but it really hard to see this happening. 

i can't agree with the logic, but i know its possible mainly because 1m is nothing to catch up with but i fill Seece if missing wht PS3 has to offer this holiday season.

you'll never no the storm until its right ontop of you and thats why i only plan to watch this thread, not post in it, and waiting until the holiday season is overso i can either forget it! or brag about how Seece was right and everyone posting against him was wrong including myself!

i'm done with it, listen to Seeces point, disagree, and see his logic as possible, but not likely, and that's all i have to say on the matter