man alot of seece bashing lol why?

i agree the thread title could of read i believe or is it possible instead of the confident will


even if the 360 doesnt become the #1 selling console in 2011 and only comes a few 100k short doesnt really matter?

i believe the console wars between the 2 is done MS's 360 already beat sonys PS3, the damn PS3 leader even left sony, most all past gen PS 3rd party exclusives are now on MS's 360 they even look and perform better, there are way more quality exclusives on the 360 this gen compared to last the brand is growing as a gaming devise and household name at phenomenal rate no one saw this coming in 04-07, MS was able to sell over 50m already and is still producing stellar sales numbers in some of the main gaming markets in its 6th year and will most likely end up past 80-85M easy and will be close to PS3 final numbers

so it doesnt really matter if it doesnt become the 1st HD console to sell the most out of all consoles in a yr, going forward there are other more important things to be worried about at least in my eyes

thank you.

we may not know what MS has but if its not a price drop which really wouldn't help in a logical since cause of the arcade model then they've really got nothing.

if MS has any chance of beating sony its 2012 and once again Sony leads in the IP department with 2 or 3 new exclusives and 7-10 total, not to mention what ever Eat Sleep Play, Suckerpunch, guerrilla games has been working on cause there all said to all be working on new ip.

and there new approach to indie developers is likely to help as well. we also don't know wht else Sony have for 2012 or how they will react to what ever blind confidence Seece seems to have that MS will out sell Sony holiday season 2011.

it seems i have the evidence for a counter to what MS has for a sells boost, and Seece is just shooting in the wind hoping to get blown away.

i also agree with your post.

i can't bash Seece becuase he's a sound poster when it doesn't involve sony, but he hasn't made a sound argument, and if he was interrested i'd bet my sig on it if i was making the same claim for Sonys victory this 2011 holiday season.

i'm almost positive he would love the opportunity to prove me of all people wrong and gloat for a full yr, but because i'm not presenting an arguement just Sonys counter to everything MS has its not on the table.

i basically made my own mini thread within his showing the middle and not the opposite. since i've been in this thread i haven't seen anything Seece has said as making sense cause for one MS will not make a price drop on anything, and the rest of his argument is just shooting targets in the dark with a blindfold on.

i agree with your post.

I still think MS will outsell the PS3 this Holiday, but by more than a million ? How is that possible?

i have no idea.

LOL 

Not making fun of either side of the argument. Just injecting a bit of humor into the thread.

i love the funny

1 million gap isnt really much now that I think about it. All the need is 2 months really, meaning November and December to really edge out the PS3.

That said it can only be done with a price cut, not like it is now.

wasn't PS fans using same logic everyday?

It's not blind hope or faith and I'm not saying Microsoft are infallible at all, if they came out and said 'Oh Disneyland adventures will propel us to 1st place' then I'd start to worry and agree with you lot. It's just confidence. The E3 announcement, the dedicated interviews, the update everytime we get a new NPD. Do you honestly think they they're doing all that on a hunch? really?

I'm quite surprised so many are in denial and ignorant of the way MS have been conducting themselves over this the last 4/5 months, it isn't simple marketing spiel like 'We'll be first this gen' something no-one could possibly realistically predict, it's obviously come from internal data that covers a short period in the near future, something far far easier to predict.

My reasoning is Microsoft initiating Kinect perfectly this christmas. To casuals Kinect is a console, they see Kinect on tv (with 360 obviously) and they go to the store and they ask for a Kinect 360. It's selling like a console. I'd also like to see updated shipment figures (although I don't doubt at all that it's slowed down, just not as much as we have shown here, imo).

To say 'oh it's not a new product' is such ... I don't know, damage control? No console (from my memory) peaked in its first holiday. Why would casuals lap up Kinect last xmas and then not care again, but they would for every other casual centric thing? You're not thinking in their boots. What exactly is your reasoning for consoles peaking typically in their third year and Kinect not? It has its own mindshare (heck the most last christmas) its own games, its own price point etc.

My basis is Microsoft will cut the price, I don't believe they think they can do it without that, they're just waiting for the perfect opportunity. If they got the Kinect bundle down to mass market price (Vs $299 last xmas) that's a $100 cut they can advertise with Kinect. Advertising sequels is perfectly fine, look at Just Dance 2. $100 bundle cut, advertising the kinect games, along with the hoopla of their 10th anniversary and new dashboard update as well as the TV offerings, will cause a big buzz in the U.S as well as no shortages this time around.

I reserve judgement on how the PS3 will do this holiday, until I see their Q3 shipments. I would say Wii is more of a threat than PS3 though. If you have a casual hit during christmas, a core console beating it is an uphill struggle. You seem to forget who the market belongs to during the holidays.

Also didn't analysts put PS3 at 10% above 360 for H1? If they were correct and we were wrong (I'm sure it's perfectly feasible it could be vice versa) then the gap is 240k larger than it should be.