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Forums - Sales Discussion - Xbox 360 Vs. Playstation 3 2012 - *February* Update

JazzyJeez on 03 January 2012
Adinnieken said:
I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.

You seriously believe that Microsoft haven't made similar investments that Sony had to make? 



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NotStan on 03 January 2012
JazzyJeez said:
Adinnieken said:
I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.

You seriously believe that Microsoft haven't made similar investments that Sony had to make? 

Well many seem to be of mind that Sony doesn't advertise at all



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Imaginedvl on 03 January 2012
JazzyJeez said:
Adinnieken said:
I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.

You seriously believe that Microsoft haven't made similar investments that Sony had to make? 

They definitely made the same kind of investments, the problem here is that they are making a lot more money. So at the end, Microsoft is winning anyways. Looking at how many console Sony and Microsoft sold this year without looking at other numbers is kind of pointless :)



JazzyJeez on 03 January 2012
Imaginedvl said:
JazzyJeez said:
Adinnieken said:
I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.

You seriously believe that Microsoft haven't made similar investments that Sony had to make? 

They definitely made the same kind of investments, the problem here is that they are making a lot more money. So at the end, Microsoft is winning anyways. Looking at how many console Sony and Microsoft sold this year without looking at other numbers is kind of pointless :)


Ah I understand now, I was under the mistaken impression this thread was about whether the 360 would sell more units in a year than the PS3, silly me I should of known it was about profit per unit sold.



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psrock on 03 January 2012
Adinnieken said:
I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.

Only one console has increased their market share, increased their sales, their software, hardware year after year since coming out: PS3.



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Adinnieken on 03 January 2012
JazzyJeez said:
Adinnieken said:
I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.

You seriously believe that Microsoft haven't made similar investments that Sony had to make? 

I think Microsoft's investments have resulted in console sales, not simply software sales.



Adinnieken on 03 January 2012
JazzyJeez said:
Imaginedvl said:
JazzyJeez said:
Adinnieken said:
I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.

You seriously believe that Microsoft haven't made similar investments that Sony had to make? 

They definitely made the same kind of investments, the problem here is that they are making a lot more money. So at the end, Microsoft is winning anyways. Looking at how many console Sony and Microsoft sold this year without looking at other numbers is kind of pointless :)


Ah I understand now, I was under the mistaken impression this thread was about whether the 360 would sell more units in a year than the PS3, silly me I should of known it was about profit per unit sold.

It was.  Then people made the call that the PS3 won.  I merely pointed out that it if the PS3 wins it ends up being a hollow victory because the Xbox 360 is performing so well sales wise and doing so at a profit.



d21lewis on 03 January 2012
psrock said:

Only one console has increased their 1.) market share, 2.) increased their sales, their 3.) software, 4.) hardware year after year since coming out: PS3.

Remember that "Ask Dr. Psrock" thread?  Man, that was awesome.  Anyway, not sure I follow you--

1.  PS3 could only increase in market share.  It was in last place.

2.  It increased its sales, but the Wii and 360 increased their sales, too.  If you mean year over year, the 360 just had its best year ever, too.  I know the PS3 has outsold it since coming out but I recall a lot of times when the PS3's YOY was down.

3.  Software:  Unless the Wii and 360 had negative software, they increased their software, too.  If there was one single Wii game, they increased by one, didn't they?  And if you mean overall software sales, I don't have the raw figures to back me up but I think that the 360 outdid the PS3 in that area, too.  The only thing I can think of that would make sense is if you are saying that they had more exclusives than the competition.

4.  Hardware:  Do you mean hardware sales?  That's the same as the second thing you posted (see #2).  If you mean hardware capabilities, I don't know.  The 360 has more abilities now than it did when it launched, with more features added yearly, too.  Even the Wii has new features.  And if you mean Move, you have to count the Wii Motion Plus and the Kinect, too.

 

In other words:  Please elaborate on your post!  I'm scratching my head and I'll reach skull soon if I don't get some clarity, here!!



Alby_da_Wolf on 03 January 2012

Losses of Sony division that makes, amongst other things, PS3, aren't due to PS3 price cut, but to TVs losses and expensive acquisitions.



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ZaneWane on 03 January 2012
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Losses of Sony division that makes, amongst other things, PS3, aren't due to PS3 price cut, but to TVs losses and expensive acquisitions.

what would u call this then   http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/38323/PS3_Price_Drop_Leads_To_Sony_Q2_Losses.php