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Forums - Sales Discussion - Xbox 360 Vs. Playstation 3 2012 - *February* Update

gergroy on 03 January 2012
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Statistical tie!

I dont think anybody expected 360 to evaporate PS3s hard work catching up, while at the same time keeping relevant despite PS3s 2011 exclusives!


Not very relevant from a gamer's perspective.  As long as Microsoft primarily caters to the masses and the casuals/non-gamers (shooters and Kinect), it's no surprise that sales have risen as they have during the most hyped shopping time of the year.  From a sales and investor's perspective, the Xbox 360 sales nubers are relevant.  You target the biggest audience, you garnish the biggest sales.  But too bad they did not invest their resources in more 1st/2nd party games such as platformers, action adventures, and survival horror.  If they did and these titles were of considerable quality, the Xbox 360 would become more relevant as a hardcore gaming console.  In fact, the PS3 is more relevant and its sales are more impressive because Sony continues to cater to the gamers by their 2011 exclusives.

360 was very relevant from a gamers perspective. 

You do realize that 90% of 360's and PS3 library is the same. And when you see great multiplats like Assassins Creed, Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3, Skyrim, Bulletstorm, Frontline, Brink.....I could go on.......sell much better on 360. MS naturally has every reason to invest into kinect cause they allready have the core gamers on their side. MS's exclusives, while fewer in number, have more real world relevance then PS3 more numerous, yet culturally irrelevant by comparison, exclusives. 

On the internet most of us have the "exclusive complex". You also hear "exclusive whore" or "exclusive nuts". They really don't make a difference unless the people care about them. Flagship wise, Sony has GOW, Uncharted, and GT. The rest don't have public brand recognition. Really, in the end, gamers go for the multiplats as again they are the bulk of the library. 

And to me, given PS2 domination last gen, no amount of how good PS3 is selling can be considered "impressive".


Doesn't matter.  For instance, Dark Souls and Skyrim are both on the PS3 and Xbox 360 both are action Western style RPG's, but Dark Souls sold far better on the PS3 while Skyrim sold far better on the Xbox 360.  It's the target audience of the console and the mentality of the buyers.  Both PS3 and Xbox 360 sales are impressive.  But Sony continues to cater primarily to the core and hardcore games while Microsoft continues to primarily cater to the casual/non-gamers when you look at their exclusive content.  As a hardcore gamer, the PS3 is far more relevant because of Sony's offerings plus 3rd party offerings as opposed to the Xbox 360 because of who they are catering to.  And again, the 90% figure you tout also mean very little in the real wotld when all consoles have their more than fair share of shovelware.

So you think PS3 caters to you more as a core gamer, thats fine and all. But dont confuse your opinion with those of the masses. You really see where the core gamers go judging on the sales of our most big name multiplats. PS3 has multiplats selling in its favor......but far more are simply preferred on 360. 

360 is the core gamers console of choice as it is the emerging mass market console as well. 


I have a problem with that statement cause when you say "360 is the core games console of choice", the first imagine in my mind is FPS. That's all I can think of and I'm sure there is more to core gaming than locking in 100 hours on MW3. I assume however, that you are talking sales wise since multiplatform games sell better on the 360 (skyrim, bulletstorm, etc)

OffT:I don't know, I think MW3 just ruined the concept of core gaming FOR ME. I don't play FPSs aside from resistance (not even the online) so my gamer friends and I usually get into debates about true core gaming. Weirdly enough, most MW players understand my dislike of the game.

OnT: This debate is silly. That is all.

Now I see. You have no concept of what the majority of gamers play. So therefore your input is limited. This is evident by your statement about not playing FPS, which is a red flag in itself since its the most popular genre in gaming. Secondly is your admission to playing resistance when it is regarded as a degraded franchise not worth the time and money of the average gamer. I dont make these rules, I just looked at Resistance sales after part 1. 

360 is the core gamers console this gen. Not only by the sales of the most popular 3rd party multiplats but also like you said it is home to the biggest genre in gaming: FPS. 

You can have a problem with that, but it doesnt change a thing. 

ok

I think a lot of people confuse niche games with core games.  They arent the same thing.



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 03 January 2012

*Hoping that the 360 adjustments wont lower the sales...



Yay!!!

JimmyDanger on 03 January 2012
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There are "casuals" amongst the userbase of all 3 consoles.

A "casual" is just someone who buys few full price games a year. Read above.

This whole mythical notion of the "core" gamer being someone who must play only FPS - and a casual plays only Angry Birds is false. There are casuals who buy 2 - 3 JRPGs a year and put a few hours in each week. There are casuals who buy Dark Souls and play it for 2 weeks in the holidays. There are core gamers who go out and buy 3 new games and play Stickman BMX on the bus. There is no elite - just attach rates.

Once again - read above.


What makes your definition of casual and core correct? 

In terms of use you may be correct(even then its up to debate how much you need to play to be casual vs core) but it seems to me the vg industry uses the terms differently.

I like you above coffee analogy.  The Core are your regulars, they buy coffee every or every other day, there not the hardcore people who buy 3 coffees a day or the casual who come buy every once in a while.  There may be more Casual coffee drinkers in the world and the hardcore drinker may generate more revenue per person but most your profits come from your core audience.

However, no one cares how long some takes to drink the coffee, only how many they buy.   I think play time is pretty irrelevant in the term core vs casual on a sale forum.

Imo, which has no more validity than yours.  I think the Core gamer is meant to simply represent the largest average of gamers.  Based on amount of games bought.  The core gamers buy a few games a year and every publisher wants to be on the core gamers list because they represent the biggest buying group on average.  

The connection to FPS is simply just because that is one genre the largest buying goup "Core Gamers" pick up on a yearly basis.  Go back to the coffee anology.  Call of Duty is your average mocha.   Its what  your core audience normally buys.  Can your Core audience also get that tripple shot espresso? yeah but majority of your core doesnt.  Its something more popular among your hardcore drinkers.  Dance Central is Hot Chocolate.   Very popular among casual, core and hardcore but its mostly bought by your casual.

I think you just agreed with me!



JimmyDanger on 03 January 2012

Once again - people seem to be confusing "core" with "hardcore" - and as gergroy said - niche with casual.

If the coffee shop analogy didn't work - here's maybe a simpler one.

The guy who spends all day torrenting and downloading anime and manga (not paid - "copyright infringed") - may call himself the "biggest hardcore anime fan" - but as far as the market goes - he's not the core - or even in the market. In fact the market moves on DESPITE him. He contributes nothing to the market. He can bang on about being as hardcore as he wants (and he may well be) - but he doens't contribute to the cost of creating/producing/marketing the product he's so "hardcore" about.

Nintendo aren't trying to appeal to the hypothetical guy who plays Metroid 1 on his NES all day long for the last 20 years, who hasn't bought a Wii , Gamecube or 64. They've moved on. He can be as "hardcore" as he wants in his "love" and "appreciation" - but unless some of his "dedication" is to keeping the market - from production costs to marketing costs - churning - he's casual - if that.



toadslayer72 on 03 January 2012

Uhh, what's this thread about again?



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yo_john117 on 03 January 2012
toadslayer72 said:
Uhh, what's this thread about again?

Well first it was basically a prediction thread for the 360 winning 2011 then it turned into a cherry picking excuse thread then into what defines a core/hardcore/casual gamer and next it will be about which company offers better anal probing...which will be my cue to get the hell out of here.



toadslayer72 on 03 January 2012
yo_john117 said:
toadslayer72 said:
Uhh, what's this thread about again?

Well first it was basically a prediction thread for the 360 winning 2011 then it turned into a cherry picking excuse thread then into what defines a core/hardcore/casual gamer and next it will be about which company offers better anal probing...which will be my cue to get the hell out of here.


Yeah but some fanboy will turn around a say that whoever does the best probing is superior because they are borrowing advanced alien technology with the bestest grafix.



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ironmanDX on 03 January 2012
toadslayer72 said:
yo_john117 said:
toadslayer72 said:
Uhh, what's this thread about again?

Well first it was basically a prediction thread for the 360 winning 2011 then it turned into a cherry picking excuse thread then into what defines a core/hardcore/casual gamer and next it will be about which company offers better anal probing...which will be my cue to get the hell out of here.


Yeah but some fanboy will turn around a say that whoever does the best probing is superior because they are borrowing advanced alien technology with the bestest grafix.

Theres a South Park episode about anal probes and being bill Gates ass slave.... (Not %100 on the assslave one, could be something else.)
It'll probably be ms. (Intetionally trying to continue the new topic because im bored :D )



Alby_da_Wolf on 03 January 2012

Anal probing is definitely MS' own turf.



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Adinnieken on 03 January 2012

I don't think people realize that even if at the end of this week VGChartz number suggest that the PlayStation 3 comes out on top in World-Wide sales, it loses. It does so for two reasons.

1. As per Sony's quarterly financial statement, Sony was taking a loss on each PS3 sale due to the price cut. If they were losing money with a $50 price cut, then you can be darn sure they were losing their shirts with the $100 price cut for Black Friday and any specials they offered. Sony is losing money, now not only with the PS3 but with the PS Vita as well.

2. Microsoft has been gaining sales and market share without the investments that Sony has had to make. Sony's investments in exclusives haven't resulted in any considerable sales or market share improvements. It gained more market share from FIFA 12 than all of it's exclusives combined.

If Sony comes out on top it'll just mean a hollow victory. Especially if the Xbox 360 continues to sell well in North America and sales increase in Europe.