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xS7SxSNIPER on 06 October 2011
MasterVG71782 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
kain_kusanagi said:
More than anything Microsoft needs to invest in exclusive software. Nothing is more important to potential buyers than seeing killer apps available on only one devise. The first couple years of a consoles life hinge on exclusives. As the years go by they become less important but the next Xbox will need Halo, Forza, Fable, and new IP as well as bring franchises back like Perfect Dark, Crimson Skies, Mechwarrior, etc. Microsoft also needs to invest in expending their first party developers. Nintendo and Sony have dozens of teams working on exclusives while MS likes to pay for publishing rights and timed exclusives. That's fine and it's worked so far, but will Gears of War be exclusive to the next Xbox? Epic owns it so who knows. Mass Effect went multiplatform and so did Bioshock. If Microsoft wants to stay on top they are going to need more AAA 1st party games pumped out by dedicated AAA 1st party developers.

I think M$ has there killer app already Halo and Gears, if anything ps3 needs a killer app to sell like crazy

PS3 does have a lot of good titles that sell a good bit. Gran Turismo 5 has outsold Gears of War 1 and 2, and only 3 of the Halo titles have sold more than GT5. It's just that the PS3 doesn't have the big number of hits like the 360, but don't discount the fact that they do have many games that sold quite well. The spin you're putting on it seems like they barely have any games that sold over a million units.

Nope i want sony to get a game worth getting, example people will buy xboxes for halo or gears, ps4 needs a game to get people to buy it, not it's features. when someone tells a other person to buy a ps3 they tell them to get it because of blue-ray or free psn but what about the games? when someone tells a other person to get the xbox they tell them Halo or Gears or cross gamechat ect Those games like it or not are killer apps. GT5 even tho it's a good game it doesn't get the attention of the masses.Sony needs a killer game, sony can have more exclusives but they need the ''GAME''



                          

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Lyrikalstylez on 06 October 2011

First Party Games and exclusives will make or break the next consoles for me.....and as  it stands Halo and Gears just usnt going to be enough!!



rottingcorpse1 on 06 October 2011
xS7SxSNIPER said:
MasterVG71782 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
kain_kusanagi said:
More than anything Microsoft needs to invest in exclusive software. Nothing is more important to potential buyers than seeing killer apps available on only one devise. The first couple years of a consoles life hinge on exclusives. As the years go by they become less important but the next Xbox will need Halo, Forza, Fable, and new IP as well as bring franchises back like Perfect Dark, Crimson Skies, Mechwarrior, etc. Microsoft also needs to invest in expending their first party developers. Nintendo and Sony have dozens of teams working on exclusives while MS likes to pay for publishing rights and timed exclusives. That's fine and it's worked so far, but will Gears of War be exclusive to the next Xbox? Epic owns it so who knows. Mass Effect went multiplatform and so did Bioshock. If Microsoft wants to stay on top they are going to need more AAA 1st party games pumped out by dedicated AAA 1st party developers.

I think M$ has there killer app already Halo and Gears, if anything ps3 needs a killer app to sell like crazy

PS3 does have a lot of good titles that sell a good bit. Gran Turismo 5 has outsold Gears of War 1 and 2, and only 3 of the Halo titles have sold more than GT5. It's just that the PS3 doesn't have the big number of hits like the 360, but don't discount the fact that they do have many games that sold quite well. The spin you're putting on it seems like they barely have any games that sold over a million units.

Nope i want sony to get a game worth getting, example people will buy xboxes for halo or gears, ps4 needs a game to get people to buy it, not it's features. when someone tells a other person to buy a ps3 they tell them to get it because of blue-ray or free psn but what about the games? when someone tells a other person to get the xbox they tell them Halo or Gears or cross gamechat ect Those games like it or not are killer apps. GT5 even tho it's a good game it doesn't get the attention of the masses.Sony needs a killer game, sony can have more exclusives but they need the ''GAME''



Everytime I have recommend a ps3 to someone I have named several games they should look into. Not just one or two.

xS7SxSNIPER on 06 October 2011
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
BHR-3 said:
maintain the exclusive releases of mature rated games with unmatched features like they did this gen and come out with i few other genres its lacking like action/adventure, platformer

keep up with the exclusive deals timed DLC and even games

a free online services even if it has to be stripped down

better reliable HW cant have what we had with the rrod


What are you talking about I can't think of a single mature rated 360 exclusive that has unmatched features, can you name a few specific features that you are talking about? I don't think timed exclusive deals are going to be enough next time they need to make more games.

Games like Gears of war had horde,beast,4 player co-op, Halo has 4 player co-op, forge,theater mode,fire fight, a ton of mp mode 16 in total and community modes,community maps ect a ton of support for xbox games and features that what M$ and there studios know how to do and don't forget  PGR to most peole those are selling points those games offer a ton of replay value we xboxers lke Replay value don't you?


All of those features are in many games, especially horde/fire fight mode .

Please name one ps3 exlusive that has all those features please thank you = D


You want me to name a ps3 exclusive that has as many modes as 2 360 exclusives and it has to be a shooter. Unfair comparisons much? But anyways that's besides the point, no 360 exclusive has modes like the ps3 exclusive MAG does, does that make those modes a major selling point for ps3? So many games have so many modes, to say 2 games with common modes is a selling feature for a console is ridicules not to mention the whole ignoring every genre but shooters. For example God of War has Combat Arena arena mode and I can't think of a single 360 hack and slash with that mode (note God of War is a mature rated game)

You fail to mention one game sir, oh plus frontlines fuel of wars has more features than MAG google it 60 player online with 20 game mode 12 hour single player tanks, and jets and nukes plus dedicated servers good game but old, sorry good sir what god of war are you talking about? i have God of war 3 and i haven;t seen no combat mode.


More features doesn't = the same features, and you have yet to state one game that has MAGs modes or God of Wars extra modes. I found the extra modes in 1 or 2 I imagine it's the same with 3, they aren't hidden and are there so if you can't find them you must have not looked for any bonuses. You also failed to address how any of that is a selling point for a console when the modes are common, the reason I didn't name a game is because I'm not big on shooters MAG and bioshock are the only ones I own.

I haven't played MAG my good sir, i have god of war 3 but it doesn't have that feature . Doesn't matter if your a fan of shooters or not example Fable or forza 3 have a ton of things that off replay value by any chance do you have a xbox?


Yes God of War does, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPCtBbKvTzw you probably just haven't unlocked it yet. My point about not being a fan of shooters was I honestly don't know what ps3 exclusives have those shooter modes and which ones don't as for the non-shooting 360 exclusive they are few, far between and usually not good. I don't care about games like forza and fable is getting worse every game, and yes I have one, parents got it for me as a present, currently not working though and probably never will be again.

Thanks i didn't know about that mode, honestly i don't like fable or forza but Alan wake is a good game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWmLj0SN_hY

I like shooter like Halo and gears = D but i also like RPG and other genders.



                          

xS7SxSNIPER on 06 October 2011
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
MasterVG71782 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
kain_kusanagi said:
More than anything Microsoft needs to invest in exclusive software. Nothing is more important to potential buyers than seeing killer apps available on only one devise. The first couple years of a consoles life hinge on exclusives. As the years go by they become less important but the next Xbox will need Halo, Forza, Fable, and new IP as well as bring franchises back like Perfect Dark, Crimson Skies, Mechwarrior, etc. Microsoft also needs to invest in expending their first party developers. Nintendo and Sony have dozens of teams working on exclusives while MS likes to pay for publishing rights and timed exclusives. That's fine and it's worked so far, but will Gears of War be exclusive to the next Xbox? Epic owns it so who knows. Mass Effect went multiplatform and so did Bioshock. If Microsoft wants to stay on top they are going to need more AAA 1st party games pumped out by dedicated AAA 1st party developers.

I think M$ has there killer app already Halo and Gears, if anything ps3 needs a killer app to sell like crazy

PS3 does have a lot of good titles that sell a good bit. Gran Turismo 5 has outsold Gears of War 1 and 2, and only 3 of the Halo titles have sold more than GT5. It's just that the PS3 doesn't have the big number of hits like the 360, but don't discount the fact that they do have many games that sold quite well. The spin you're putting on it seems like they barely have any games that sold over a million units.

Nope i want sony to get a game worth getting, example people will buy xboxes for halo or gears, ps4 needs a game to get people to buy it, not it's features. when someone tells a other person to buy a ps3 they tell them to get it because of blue-ray or free psn but what about the games? when someone tells a other person to get the xbox they tell them Halo or Gears or cross gamechat ect Those games like it or not are killer apps. GT5 even tho it's a good game it doesn't get the attention of the masses.Sony needs a killer game, sony can have more exclusives but they need the ''GAME''


Everytime I have recommend a ps3 to someone I have named several games they should look into. Not just one or two.

You don't get it. A killer app not a medcore game.



                          

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rottingcorpse1 on 06 October 2011
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
BHR-3 said:
maintain the exclusive releases of mature rated games with unmatched features like they did this gen and come out with i few other genres its lacking like action/adventure, platformer

keep up with the exclusive deals timed DLC and even games

a free online services even if it has to be stripped down

better reliable HW cant have what we had with the rrod


What are you talking about I can't think of a single mature rated 360 exclusive that has unmatched features, can you name a few specific features that you are talking about? I don't think timed exclusive deals are going to be enough next time they need to make more games.

Games like Gears of war had horde,beast,4 player co-op, Halo has 4 player co-op, forge,theater mode,fire fight, a ton of mp mode 16 in total and community modes,community maps ect a ton of support for xbox games and features that what M$ and there studios know how to do and don't forget  PGR to most peole those are selling points those games offer a ton of replay value we xboxers lke Replay value don't you?


All of those features are in many games, especially horde/fire fight mode .

Please name one ps3 exlusive that has all those features please thank you = D


You want me to name a ps3 exclusive that has as many modes as 2 360 exclusives and it has to be a shooter. Unfair comparisons much? But anyways that's besides the point, no 360 exclusive has modes like the ps3 exclusive MAG does, does that make those modes a major selling point for ps3? So many games have so many modes, to say 2 games with common modes is a selling feature for a console is ridicules not to mention the whole ignoring every genre but shooters. For example God of War has Combat Arena arena mode and I can't think of a single 360 hack and slash with that mode (note God of War is a mature rated game)

You fail to mention one game sir, oh plus frontlines fuel of wars has more features than MAG google it 60 player online with 20 game mode 12 hour single player tanks, and jets and nukes plus dedicated servers good game but old, sorry good sir what god of war are you talking about? i have God of war 3 and i haven;t seen no combat mode.


More features doesn't = the same features, and you have yet to state one game that has MAGs modes or God of Wars extra modes. I found the extra modes in 1 or 2 I imagine it's the same with 3, they aren't hidden and are there so if you can't find them you must have not looked for any bonuses. You also failed to address how any of that is a selling point for a console when the modes are common, the reason I didn't name a game is because I'm not big on shooters MAG and bioshock are the only ones I own.

I haven't played MAG my good sir, i have god of war 3 but it doesn't have that feature . Doesn't matter if your a fan of shooters or not example Fable or forza 3 have a ton of things that off replay value by any chance do you have a xbox?


Yes God of War does, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPCtBbKvTzw you probably just haven't unlocked it yet. My point about not being a fan of shooters was I honestly don't know what ps3 exclusives have those shooter modes and which ones don't as for the non-shooting 360 exclusive they are few, far between and usually not good. I don't care about games like forza and fable is getting worse every game, and yes I have one, parents got it for me as a present, currently not working though and probably never will be again.

Thanks i didn't know about that mode, honestly i don't like fable or forza but Alan wake is a good game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWmLj0SN_hY

I like shooter like Halo and gears = D but i also like RPG and other genders.



Looked into Alan Wake didn't appeal to me, frankly I'd rather play the original resident evil (which I have on my ps3 and am currently playing) it does what alan wake does better.

MasterVG71782 on 06 October 2011
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
MasterVG71782 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
kain_kusanagi said:
More than anything Microsoft needs to invest in exclusive software. Nothing is more important to potential buyers than seeing killer apps available on only one devise. The first couple years of a consoles life hinge on exclusives. As the years go by they become less important but the next Xbox will need Halo, Forza, Fable, and new IP as well as bring franchises back like Perfect Dark, Crimson Skies, Mechwarrior, etc. Microsoft also needs to invest in expending their first party developers. Nintendo and Sony have dozens of teams working on exclusives while MS likes to pay for publishing rights and timed exclusives. That's fine and it's worked so far, but will Gears of War be exclusive to the next Xbox? Epic owns it so who knows. Mass Effect went multiplatform and so did Bioshock. If Microsoft wants to stay on top they are going to need more AAA 1st party games pumped out by dedicated AAA 1st party developers.

I think M$ has there killer app already Halo and Gears, if anything ps3 needs a killer app to sell like crazy

PS3 does have a lot of good titles that sell a good bit. Gran Turismo 5 has outsold Gears of War 1 and 2, and only 3 of the Halo titles have sold more than GT5. It's just that the PS3 doesn't have the big number of hits like the 360, but don't discount the fact that they do have many games that sold quite well. The spin you're putting on it seems like they barely have any games that sold over a million units.

Nope i want sony to get a game worth getting, example people will buy xboxes for halo or gears, ps4 needs a game to get people to buy it, not it's features. when someone tells a other person to buy a ps3 they tell them to get it because of blue-ray or free psn but what about the games? when someone tells a other person to get the xbox they tell them Halo or Gears or cross gamechat ect Those games like it or not are killer apps. GT5 even tho it's a good game it doesn't get the attention of the masses.Sony needs a killer game, sony can have more exclusives but they need the ''GAME''


Everytime I have recommend a ps3 to someone I have named several games they should look into. Not just one or two.

You don't get it. A killer app not a medcore game.

I find the Halo games and Gears of War ones to be mediocre, so one man's trash is another man's treasure. GT5 certainly got more people's attention than Gears of War 1 and 2, since it did sell more.

I digress though, since that's not the point of this thread. Microsoft does have killer titles that sell well, but they can't rely on those forever. They will eventually need to come up with new IPs for next gen, preferably non-shooters.



MasterVG71782 on 06 October 2011

Also, I didn't buy my PS3 because of certain games, not because of Bluray or free online. If I bought a 360 (yes, I don't own one), it wouldn't be for Halo or Gears of War.



xS7SxSNIPER on 06 October 2011
MasterVG71782 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
rottingcorpse1 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
MasterVG71782 said:
xS7SxSNIPER said:
kain_kusanagi said:
More than anything Microsoft needs to invest in exclusive software. Nothing is more important to potential buyers than seeing killer apps available on only one devise. The first couple years of a consoles life hinge on exclusives. As the years go by they become less important but the next Xbox will need Halo, Forza, Fable, and new IP as well as bring franchises back like Perfect Dark, Crimson Skies, Mechwarrior, etc. Microsoft also needs to invest in expending their first party developers. Nintendo and Sony have dozens of teams working on exclusives while MS likes to pay for publishing rights and timed exclusives. That's fine and it's worked so far, but will Gears of War be exclusive to the next Xbox? Epic owns it so who knows. Mass Effect went multiplatform and so did Bioshock. If Microsoft wants to stay on top they are going to need more AAA 1st party games pumped out by dedicated AAA 1st party developers.

I think M$ has there killer app already Halo and Gears, if anything ps3 needs a killer app to sell like crazy

PS3 does have a lot of good titles that sell a good bit. Gran Turismo 5 has outsold Gears of War 1 and 2, and only 3 of the Halo titles have sold more than GT5. It's just that the PS3 doesn't have the big number of hits like the 360, but don't discount the fact that they do have many games that sold quite well. The spin you're putting on it seems like they barely have any games that sold over a million units.

Nope i want sony to get a game worth getting, example people will buy xboxes for halo or gears, ps4 needs a game to get people to buy it, not it's features. when someone tells a other person to buy a ps3 they tell them to get it because of blue-ray or free psn but what about the games? when someone tells a other person to get the xbox they tell them Halo or Gears or cross gamechat ect Those games like it or not are killer apps. GT5 even tho it's a good game it doesn't get the attention of the masses.Sony needs a killer game, sony can have more exclusives but they need the ''GAME''


Everytime I have recommend a ps3 to someone I have named several games they should look into. Not just one or two.

You don't get it. A killer app not a medcore game.

I find the Halo games and Gears of War ones to be mediocre, so one man's trash is another man's treasure. GT5 certainly got more people's attention than Gears of War 1 and 2, since it did sell more.

I digress though, since that's not the point of this thread. Microsoft does have killer titles that sell well, but they can't rely on those forever. They will eventually need to come up with new IPs for next gen, preferably non-shooters.

 but i mean for the masses, i don't like any ps3 game execpt God of war 3 the rest are meh, Ps3 needs a killer game that appeals to people.  so far none



                          

xS7SxSNIPER on 06 October 2011
MasterVG71782 said:
Also, I didn't buy my PS3 because of certain games, not because of Bluray or free online. If I bought a 360 (yes, I don't own one), it wouldn't be for Halo or Gears of War.

See you don't like shooter more likely xbox isn't for you but there are games that aren't shooters like Alan wake,Fable,forza,Dishwasher vanpires smiles,agis wing,viva pinata,crack down,Pgr,Blue dragon,Mass effect 1. Have you tried a xbox by any chance like the xbox orignal?