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Mendicate Bias on 16 January 2012

Sorry if I went off a little guys, just had a lot in my head that I needed to get out

Oh and if anyone thinks I'm wrong please call me out on it, I enjoy a healthy debate

edit: and as a side note that Patriots breakdown can also be used to explain why Hernandez was so successful at running for huge chunks of yards when most running backs in that game weren't and why he is such a nightmare to match up against.



                                           

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amp316 on 17 January 2012
RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:

Yeah, but this team was supposed to be a lot better than that Favre led team.  That's what makes this performance a lot worse.

That's what happens when you only look at the record of teams and ignore how they actually played. For me, this year's Packers were never as complete as last year's Super Bowl winners. Despite their 15-1 record, they weren't an almost unbeatable force. Coming up with a gameplan to beat these Packers wasn't particularly hard, it was merely a matter of execution. Most teams they played against had quarterbacks that would turn the ball over repeatedly which is about the only thing the Packers defense was good at this season: making interceptions. I think they were ranked last in yards allowed. In fact, over the course of the season the defense allowed more yards than the offense generated. And you know how good the Packers offense was this season.

An opponent's quarterback that doesn't turn the ball over and a Packers offense that can't get going are the recipe for disaster, because this year's defense couldn't win games for the Packers.

I didn't just look at the record of the Packers.  As you will notice, I picked them to lose and if anything you were the one who overestimated them.  I will say one thing about the record though...  15-1 is not a fluke, regardless of how they managed to do it.  I stand by my statement that ANY 15-1 team losing in the first round of the playoffs is a horrible showing.  Actually, being 15-1 and not making the Super Bowl is really bad.  I still make fun of the Vikings for this.



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kanageddaamen on 17 January 2012
Team 1 Team 2 Rol seth zuv  SpCk Ljig

 		  Kana Result
Baltimore New England 16-31 17-28 14-24  13-28  31-20 17 - 38      
New York Giants San Francisco 27-23 21-24 17-20  28-35  34-17 27 - 17      
Team 1 Team 2
Result
Baltimore New England                  
New York Giants San Francisco                  

I am a big Giants fan but objectively, I definitely think people are underestimating the Giants and over estimating both the ravens and 49ers.  I think it will be a Giants - Patriots Super Bowl, with the Pats coming away with a decisive win, unfortunately.



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amp316 on 17 January 2012

My computer is a Commodore 64 so I have trouble copying and pasting stuff.  Grrr.



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amp316 on 17 January 2012

Team 1 Team 2 Rol seth zuv  SpCk Ljig

 		  Kana amp Result
Baltimore New England 16-31 17-28 14-24  13-28  31-20 17 - 38 17-35    
New York Giants San Francisco 27-23 21-24 17-20  28-35  34-17 26 - 17 24-21    
Team 1 Team 2
Result
Baltimore New England                  
New York Giants San Francisco                  

Rol can yell at me for not doing this right.  He doesn't scare me.



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kanageddaamen on 17 January 2012

gah typo, please make mine 27 for the Giants



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superchunk on 17 January 2012
Team 1 Team 2 Rol seth zuv  SpCk Ljig

 		  Kana amp Result
Baltimore New England 16-31 17-28 14-24  13-28  31-20 17 - 38 17-35    
New York Giants San Francisco 27-23 21-24 17-20  28-35  34-17 27 - 17 24-21    
Team 1 Team 2
Result
Baltimore New England                  
New York Giants San Francisco                  

Fixed for Kana



superchunk on 17 January 2012
RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:

I didn't just look at the record of the Packers.  As you will notice, I picked them to lose and if anything you were the one who overestimated them.  I will say one thing about the record though...  15-1 is not a fluke, regardless of how they managed to do it.  I stand by my statement that ANY 15-1 team losing in the first round of the playoffs is a horrible showing.  Actually, being 15-1 and not making the Super Bowl is really bad.  I still make fun of the Vikings for this.

At least the Packers beat the Broncos this season. Not every team can say that.


Wow... that's just a low blow. Completely wrong.... I knew you were a wicked person, but this just tops everything.



chocoloco on 18 January 2012

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amp316 on 18 January 2012
RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:

I didn't just look at the record of the Packers.  As you will notice, I picked them to lose and if anything you were the one who overestimated them.  I will say one thing about the record though...  15-1 is not a fluke, regardless of how they managed to do it.  I stand by my statement that ANY 15-1 team losing in the first round of the playoffs is a horrible showing.  Actually, being 15-1 and not making the Super Bowl is really bad.  I still make fun of the Vikings for this.

At least the Packers beat the Broncos this season. Not every team can say that.

Yeah, but that was before Tebow was playing.  Kyle Orton was the starter.  Speaking of which, Kyle Orton played the Packers later in the year and beat them.  Also, the Broncos beat the Bears when Caleb Hanie was playing QB.  Caleb Hanie is one of the worst QBs I've ever seen.  The only time that he's ever even resembled a NFL QB was against the Packers in the NFC Championship last year.  How odd...

The truth is that next year no one will talk badly about the Bears since they were hit hard with injuries, say that the Broncos were a nice story, and say that the Packers blew it.  I'm pretty sure that the Packers will be the answer to the trivia question "Who is the only NFL team to go 15-1 that didn't win a playoff game?" for several years (probably decades).      



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