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Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

So in otherwords, if you go into a hospital feeling ill, you would be fine with them giving you random medications with random effects most of which would probably be negative just because they were "doing something."


Wow are you kidding? That's plain stupid and not what I meant, I mean it's better to do something rather than sit back and letting things unroll randomly, of course that doesn't affect things like what you said which is different.

Sure it does, as stated above the current protests are focused on doing something that won't help, and in reality will be harmful to the goals that they actually want to try and fix.

It's easier to build on an empty lot then one full of useless and harmful regulations.

Or to put it another way....

better to do nothing to get out of a ditch then digging downwards.


What? You have to do something to progress with anything, like rebellions back in the day, such as civil war or simple America vs Britain back in the 1700s, point being something has to be done and what those people are doiung is a step no matter how you look at it.

It is a step...

a step backwords.

The revolutionary was is actually an ironic comparison.

When taught about the revolutionary war, the very first thing US school children are taught about is the Boston Massacre.

Do you know who signed on to be the British soldiers lawyer?  John Adams.

Why?  He recognized that finding the troops guilty was a mistake and a negative.


Ya and that massacre led to great things, everything worked for the better.


Only because adams succeeded in stopping the idocy.  Had those who started the boston massacre got their way the revolution would of never happened.


Your absoluely right, but thing is something was done that had started the revolution, meaning they didn't just sit back and do nothing. Protesting, though without a leader and some what unorganized can still lead to greater things.



           

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blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

So in otherwords, if you go into a hospital feeling ill, you would be fine with them giving you random medications with random effects most of which would probably be negative just because they were "doing something."


Wow are you kidding? That's plain stupid and not what I meant, I mean it's better to do something rather than sit back and letting things unroll randomly, of course that doesn't affect things like what you said which is different.

Sure it does, as stated above the current protests are focused on doing something that won't help, and in reality will be harmful to the goals that they actually want to try and fix.

It's easier to build on an empty lot then one full of useless and harmful regulations.

Or to put it another way....

better to do nothing to get out of a ditch then digging downwards.


What? You have to do something to progress with anything, like rebellions back in the day, such as civil war or simple America vs Britain back in the 1700s, point being something has to be done and what those people are doiung is a step no matter how you look at it.

It is a step...

a step backwords.

The revolutionary was is actually an ironic comparison.

When taught about the revolutionary war, the very first thing US school children are taught about is the Boston Massacre.

Do you know who signed on to be the British soldiers lawyer?  John Adams.

Why?  He recognized that finding the troops guilty was a mistake and a negative.


Ya and that massacre led to great things, everything worked for the better.


Only because adams succeeded in stopping the idocy.  Had those who started the boston massacre got their way the revolution would of never happened.


Your absoluely right, but thing is something was done that had started the revolution, meaning they didn't just sit back and do nothing. Protesting, though without a leader and some what unorganized can still lead to greater things.

Doesn't seem to be heading that way however.  As the protestors have now decided to break laws and hinder the lives of people en masse like when they stopped trafic yesterday on the brooklyn bridge.  They're doing nothing but isolating their viewpoint and making the oppositions point.



Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

So in otherwords, if you go into a hospital feeling ill, you would be fine with them giving you random medications with random effects most of which would probably be negative just because they were "doing something."


Wow are you kidding? That's plain stupid and not what I meant, I mean it's better to do something rather than sit back and letting things unroll randomly, of course that doesn't affect things like what you said which is different.

Sure it does, as stated above the current protests are focused on doing something that won't help, and in reality will be harmful to the goals that they actually want to try and fix.

It's easier to build on an empty lot then one full of useless and harmful regulations.

Or to put it another way....

better to do nothing to get out of a ditch then digging downwards.


What? You have to do something to progress with anything, like rebellions back in the day, such as civil war or simple America vs Britain back in the 1700s, point being something has to be done and what those people are doiung is a step no matter how you look at it.

It is a step...

a step backwords.

The revolutionary was is actually an ironic comparison.

When taught about the revolutionary war, the very first thing US school children are taught about is the Boston Massacre.

Do you know who signed on to be the British soldiers lawyer?  John Adams.

Why?  He recognized that finding the troops guilty was a mistake and a negative.


Ya and that massacre led to great things, everything worked for the better.


Only because adams succeeded in stopping the idocy.  Had those who started the boston massacre got their way the revolution would of never happened.


Your absoluely right, but thing is something was done that had started the revolution, meaning they didn't just sit back and do nothing. Protesting, though without a leader and some what unorganized can still lead to greater things.

Doesn't seem to be heading that way however.  As the protestors have now decided to break laws and hinder the lives of people en masse like when they stopped trafic yesterday on the brooklyn bridge.  They're doing nothing but isolating their viewpoint and making the oppositions point.


Well, protesting has always been viewed as a negative thing, they get in the way and yell out nonsense, but for all we know maybe something big is brewing for the future, we'll never truly know...



           

blkfish92 said:


Well, protesting has always been viewed as a negative thing, they get in the way and yell out nonsense, but for all we know maybe something big is brewing for the future, we'll never truly know...


Except it hasn't.  There are lots of protests that are viewed positivly.

The difference is largely based in how you conduct yourself.

When you inentionally stop trafic to screw over regular every day people....

it isn't viewed positivly.


When you follow the rules and protest from the sidewalk and don't get in peoples way, it's viewed positivly.  Well unless your the KKK or something.



Man, the NY police is awesome, wish the police over here were like that



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thismeintiel said:
HappySqurriel said:
Isn't interesting how most videos of the police using "unjust force" on "peaceful protestors" that are on the political left ALWAYS start after the person is in custody? Could it be that showing why these people were arrested would undermine the argument that the force was "unjust" or that their protest was "peaceful"?

My thoughts exactly.  And during it they ALWAYS overreact to make it seem like its worse than it is.  Like in the second vid when the girls are sprayed with pepper spray.  I'm sure that stuff stings quite a bit, but they were screaming like they were being stabbed repeatedly.  And like you said, the vid starts after they were being blocked off, so we have no idea for what reason that was done.


I don't want to suggest that these events are staged, but it does seem a little coincidental that countless protest from various groups (Tea-Party protests, environmental protests, strikes, etc.) can be carried out (for the most part) in an orderly fashion without many accusations of unjust use of police force; but any time there are anti-capitalists, communists or anarchists involved there is the claim that peaceful protestors are being abused by the police. Every time this happens the video begins almost immediately after the police begin taking the individual into custody, but never is able to capture the moments leading up to it.

In my opinion, the likely reason for this is that a large portion of these groups are professional protestors who tend to be the spoiled children of remarkably wealthy individuals; and the wealth and privilege provided by their parents enables them to fly around the world and participate in countless protests. Over a few years of doing this, they have learned to be highly effective at getting themselves arrested while a friend videotapes them; and they then release a highly edited video to the public and claim that they’re just innocent protestors.

While it may seem ironic that they’re living off of the wealth and privilege provided by a global capitalist system and calling for the end of this system it really isn’t surprising; because in all socialist/communist systems there is always a parasitic elite class who are above the rules they force on the masses, and these protestors envision themselves as these elite (and/or believe that the lifestyle of the elite in these systems is representative of the lifestyle of the masses).



Kasz216 said:
blkfish92 said:
 


Well, protesting has always been viewed as a negative thing, they get in the way and yell out nonsense, but for all we know maybe something big is brewing for the future, we'll never truly know...


Except it hasn't.  There are lots of protests that are viewed positivly.

The difference is largely based in how you conduct yourself.

When you inentionally stop trafic to screw over regular every day people....

it isn't viewed positivly.


When you follow the rules and protest from the sidewalk and don't get in peoples way, it's viewed positivly.  Well unless your the KKK or something.


Don't mok them! lol, just messing, but yes you're right the question that stands now is if anyone will take charge and create some order and organization?



           

HappySqurriel said:


I don't want to suggest that these events are staged, but it does seem a little coincidental that countless protest from various groups (Tea-Party protests, environmental protests, strikes, etc.) can be carried out (for the most part) in an orderly fashion without many accusations of unjust use of police force; but any time there are anti-capitalists, communists or anarchists involved there is the claim that peaceful protestors are being abused by the police. Every time this happens the video begins almost immediately after the police begin taking the individual into custody, but never is able to capture the moments leading up to it.

In my opinion, the likely reason for this is that a large portion of these groups are professional protestors who tend to be the spoiled children of remarkably wealthy individuals; and the wealth and privilege provided by their parents enables them to fly around the world and participate in countless protests. Over a few years of doing this, they have learned to be highly effective at getting themselves arrested while a friend videotapes them; and they then release a highly edited video to the public and claim that they’re just innocent protestors.

While it may seem ironic that they’re living off of the wealth and privilege provided by a global capitalist system and calling for the end of this system it really isn’t surprising; because in all socialist/communist systems there is always a parasitic elite class who are above the rules they force on the masses, and these protestors envision themselves as these elite (and/or believe that the lifestyle of the elite in these systems is representative of the lifestyle of the masses).

You are correct in saying that the majority of these protestors are incredibly idiotic about their goals.

Here are a few pictures of signs by 'the 99%' (taken from another forum):

 

 

 

 

 

 

If these are the kinds of people protesting, then America is just about doomed. I am sure Mafoo is laughing his butt off in New Zealand right now.. No one cares for personal responsibility nor accountability. It is not Wall Street's fault if you pick a useless career in writing or some other bull-crap, and can't find a job because there are millions of others out there with the same degree, and no jobs.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

wow they look and sound like people without any degree. i don't get the problem of the last one. isn't it normal to be in debt buying a house and paying the monthly rates over 10-20 years? can't she take the metro if she can't pay a car atm? why didn't she wait 10 years to buy a house?



mrstickball said:
HappySqurriel said:


I don't want to suggest that these events are staged, but it does seem a little coincidental that countless protest from various groups (Tea-Party protests, environmental protests, strikes, etc.) can be carried out (for the most part) in an orderly fashion without many accusations of unjust use of police force; but any time there are anti-capitalists, communists or anarchists involved there is the claim that peaceful protestors are being abused by the police. Every time this happens the video begins almost immediately after the police begin taking the individual into custody, but never is able to capture the moments leading up to it.

In my opinion, the likely reason for this is that a large portion of these groups are professional protestors who tend to be the spoiled children of remarkably wealthy individuals; and the wealth and privilege provided by their parents enables them to fly around the world and participate in countless protests. Over a few years of doing this, they have learned to be highly effective at getting themselves arrested while a friend videotapes them; and they then release a highly edited video to the public and claim that they’re just innocent protestors.

While it may seem ironic that they’re living off of the wealth and privilege provided by a global capitalist system and calling for the end of this system it really isn’t surprising; because in all socialist/communist systems there is always a parasitic elite class who are above the rules they force on the masses, and these protestors envision themselves as these elite (and/or believe that the lifestyle of the elite in these systems is representative of the lifestyle of the masses).

You are correct in saying that the majority of these protestors are incredibly idiotic about their goals.

Here are a few pictures of signs by 'the 99%' (taken from another forum):

 

 

 

 

 

 

If these are the kinds of people protesting, then America is just about doomed. I am sure Mafoo is laughing his butt off in New Zealand right now.. No one cares for personal responsibility nor accountability. It is not Wall Street's fault if you pick a useless career in writing or some other bull-crap, and can't find a job because there are millions of others out there with the same degree, and no jobs.

I do have some sympathy for these individuals, and I can empathize with the position they have been put in; after all, they’re coming face to face with the reality that they have been lied to throughout their entire life and this has been primarily been done by the individuals they looked up to. Unfortunately, since understanding this would require significant changes to their entire value and belief system, these individuals are now looking for a villain who has stolen their fairy tale ending.

 

The real problem these individuals are facing is what I would call the parasite killing the host ...

Effectively, there is a portion of the economy that is driven by individuals making choices to buy goods and or services because they want them; not because they’re forced to have them or they’re afraid of the consequences of not having these goods and/or services. This is the portion of the economy I would call the host because it is the real living portion of the economy.

On top of that there is a portion of the economy that  provides goods and/or services which (in the long run) either improve the productivity of the host economy or minimize the damage of real world risks to individuals. Examples of this are companies like insurance companies, health-care, education, police/fire departments and so on. This is the portion of the economy I would call the symbiote because, while it lives off of the host economy, it provides value that is equal to or greater than its cost to the economy.

The top layer of the economy is the parasite which is made up of goods and services that individuals are forced to pay for even though they provide little value in return. While this is primarily a public sector issue, there are examples in the private sector; and most of these examples demonstrate rent-seeking behaviour.

The US economy has less than 60% of working aged adults actually working, of which at least 2/3 of these individuals are not working in what I would term core/host economic activities; and as a result somewhere in the 10% to 20% of the total population of the United States (when we include people who are not of working age into the picture) are supporting the other 80% to 90% of the population. The net effect of this is that the host economy can't support any more and is slowly dying.

 

Many of these individuals who can't find jobs are in parasitic fields, and there are no jobs because there are no more spots available to suck the life-blood of the economy from.