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Ssenkahdavic said:
blkfish92 said:
Hephaestos said:
I don't see anything wrong.
You're allowed to gather and speak freely...

But you're not allowed to create unrest.
you're not allowed to blockade roads (not the cops, the protesters gathered in the street, effectively blocking the circulation).
you're not allowed to insult cops on duty (dunno for the US but you get fined for that in France (in theory)).

Those protesters did all these 3 wrong, some got arrested for it. The later ones in the video were for promoting unrest, earlier ones for insulting the cops (the word fuck comes up a lot in that video).

It's not because you know your rights that you can deprive others of theirs... these hippies kind of forget that ^^.


Freedom of speech man, you can say what ever you want to a cop in USA, and I mean anything. The cops created the unrest as they started getting overly aggressive.The cops formed in the roads and aggressed everyone on to the sidewalk, so the cops created the civeil unrest.

Go up to a Cop and start yelling Racist terms at him/her and see how long your "Freedom of Speech" lasts. 

 

There are rules to protesting and those rules were broken by these people.  They deserved what happened to them.  Nothing that I have seen looks excessive to me, nor did anything in that video jump out as Police Aggression or Brutality. 

 

Police have one shitty ass job.  Do to much and you are "To Aggressive or Brutal" and dont do enough and you are "Ineffective and Useless"  Its a very fine line and I, for one, would not want to live in a world without the Police.


Well ok then, the police are meant to protect the people, but the vid clearly shows they're simply protecting theirselves by just cleaning up a peaceful protest with clear aggression, oh and yes I can shout just about anything to a cop, with exception to racism nice reminder there, don't know why the world is so sensitive to race because we're all human, but we'll save that topic for a rainy day.



           

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spurgeonryan said:
blkfish92 said:
Chroniczaaa said:
Smell the fucking bacon, never like no god damn pigs.


You hit the nail on the head there buddy.


Hey! I used to have a pot belly pig...that liked donuts! :P  but seriously I did.


A pig as a pet? Sounds cool lol



           

There are always multiple sides to each story. Additionally, there are multiple angles of video to justify proper/improper use of force. You simply cannot say what was right and wrong based off of a Youtube video. Nobody knows if someone made a threat, or if they were crossing over a line that police were trying to organize/protect. While protesting / exercising freedom of speech is allow; obstruction of traffic is NOT allowed. You shouldn't have to be told 50 times to move a certain direction without facing consequences.



Everyone needs to play Lost Odyssey! Any opposition to this and I will have to just say, "If it's a fight you want, you got it!"

Considering that the footage starts with arrests I can't see where you get the idea that the protesters being arrested were being peaceful.

The fact that they're targetting specific protestors seem to indicate the exact opposite.  I mean shit, some of it even (unintentionally i'm sure) catches the protestors singaled out starting the violence.



blkfish92 said:
Ssenkahdavic said:
blkfish92 said:
Hephaestos said:
I don't see anything wrong.
You're allowed to gather and speak freely...

But you're not allowed to create unrest.
you're not allowed to blockade roads (not the cops, the protesters gathered in the street, effectively blocking the circulation).
you're not allowed to insult cops on duty (dunno for the US but you get fined for that in France (in theory)).

Those protesters did all these 3 wrong, some got arrested for it. The later ones in the video were for promoting unrest, earlier ones for insulting the cops (the word fuck comes up a lot in that video).

It's not because you know your rights that you can deprive others of theirs... these hippies kind of forget that ^^.


Freedom of speech man, you can say what ever you want to a cop in USA, and I mean anything. The cops created the unrest as they started getting overly aggressive.The cops formed in the roads and aggressed everyone on to the sidewalk, so the cops created the civeil unrest.

Go up to a Cop and start yelling Racist terms at him/her and see how long your "Freedom of Speech" lasts. 

 

There are rules to protesting and those rules were broken by these people.  They deserved what happened to them.  Nothing that I have seen looks excessive to me, nor did anything in that video jump out as Police Aggression or Brutality. 

 

Police have one shitty ass job.  Do to much and you are "To Aggressive or Brutal" and dont do enough and you are "Ineffective and Useless"  Its a very fine line and I, for one, would not want to live in a world without the Police.


Well ok then, the police are meant to protect the people, but the vid clearly shows they're simply protecting theirselves by just cleaning up a peaceful protest with clear aggression, oh and yes I can shout just about anything to a cop, with exception to racism nice reminder there, don't know why the world is so sensitive to race because we're all human, but we'll save that topic for a rainy day.


I don't see at all where your getting that.  They are very specifically NOT cleaning up or breaking up the protetst, but instead only taking out those that are either attacking the police or damaging property in some way...

which is VERY important, and if you don't understand why... see the recent London Riots, where peaceful protests about tution rates lead to huge age property damage and the burning of shit due to the inability to take out the trouble makers before they started trouble.



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So.

Protect the people who are protesting, who have the time to go out and protest? Or protect the people who desperately need to go to work, to get their paycheck, to feed their children? I don't know about you, but after they dispersed the intersection, I saw a taxi, a truck, and a vehicle or two starting to go through right at the end of the video. I'm sure that truck was carrying something, and for the taxi, well, time is money.

A few cops may have gone a bit overboard, but they're only human. They can't perfectly wrestle down a 150 pound man without giving him a bruise or two, but they need to do that, they're trained to do that.

If they had simply taken up sidewalks, letting people walk through and not blocking entrances to any stores or causing unrest, then I doubt the cops would have had do to anything, except just to show up to make sure things didn't go south.

The cops may have been a bit out of line at some points, but it was for a good reason, definitely.



blkfish92 said:

oh and yes I can shout just about anything to a cop, with exception to racism nice reminder there

Do you not have any verbal abused laws in the US?



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
blkfish92 said:

oh and yes I can shout just about anything to a cop, with exception to racism nice reminder there

Do you not have any verbal abused laws in the US?


I did a law/rights class as a humanities elective when I studies in the states... and I do recall the case of a town councilman jumping over the table and punching a civilian.... the courts found he was justified in doing so, the other guy was verbaly abusing him. (If you provoque voluntarely the reaction, you're the guilty one).



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Hahaha, zap em' than wack em'. Cops were just doing thier job. You cant just push them around in circles and cross the line on which they are obvously standing .Thats what you get for messing with the bankers. Anyway, the police in NY cant hold a handle on brutality compared to serbian police in my country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjzzYEM9SKs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57jmRZkoO7c&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyLXdww3ZaU



You guys point out some valid reasons on both accounts, good stuff, although it still frustrates me how the cops were extremely aggressive.