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nen-suer said:

4-Not in the games i played.

5- I always joke around with Hat, that post wouldn't bother anyone other than scum

6- Its a normal conclusion to come up with, why didnt you question me on the spot then ?
Its like you decided to lynch me and looked every single post i did and convince your self its scummy.

"Do you honestly think i'm being unreasonable suspecting you? Imo if it was any normal player else you would have been lynched day1"

"And from the results i was right suspecting hatmoza. He did make a big contraction, but it turn out he was a lying townie and i cant be blamed for not that."

 



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Hephaestos said:
A) proff's long post.... that's a well drawn picture, most points are sound and there's only one I disagree with... I do think FF and you look scummy for deflecting the discussion from Linkz.
If anything, a night will give more info on Nen, whereas Linkz... we already know he'd scan guilty (as scum or miller) so there is nothing to gain there by waiting.
Although yes, Nen's insistence on link would make him look good... He didn't actually vote him day one...Linkz did vote nen, with linkz being the sure lynch down the road...

With the current situation and although I have suspicions on others, I do think Hat may have been right, Chloe, Elenna and Nathan as scum, with Nen in the role of Nathan (he did comment on the ass thing too as you pointed).

B) ABC's point of the avenging post is something that struck me too when I read it... I just thought it was very weird a statement to make, but if the mafia had decided that linkz was gonna get lynched today and have Nen be on his ass for a complete distancing, well... that could warrant the confidence of not being lynched down the road. Prof noted that Nen was the tipping point voter.... that I find interesting as besides trucks and I, he certainly is the one that was the most adamant on linkz being a fake and this lateness may be explained by trying to gain a day if at all possible.

Granted, I make many assumptions here, but I like scenarios that I believe fit well.

Oh and no, I highly doubt either is third party because A) miller doesn't make sense for linkz B) Nen would not have the confidence he had in his interactions.

With all this said though... I believe linkz's lynch today is the safest route... as many of Nen's accusation points are, in my eyes, based on both of them being scum.

Vote : Linkz

A) Here you go twisting hat's words again. It's foolish to assert that hat asked the hot asses question to tie the three main characters together as scum. And as you failed to answer before. If hat started to feel like he didn't know how to react, then why did he say thishttp://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4230540 "Chloe fits the ability, just like my character fits theirs. And in case you didn't figure it out Einstein, that's the reason I believe you are town."

B) Truck is adamant I'm a fake? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4235621  "Okay waiting for Linkz's defense was a good move, even if I'm not decided on what to do yet. I realized that most of my reasons for wanting Linkz lynched are based on meta-game and that's not the best of evidence."

You seem to be making anything you can point to my lynch being for the best while saving your buddy nen. It's the same thing you're accusing prof(town) and FF(undecided) on, but they haven't had to stuff words in anyone's mouth.



nen-suer said:
A Bad Clown said:

I just found this when I was looking to see if nen-suer was copying me when I wanted linkz lynched because of the 2 millers thing

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4233376

Yeah i said it first

 

"Rest in peace Hat, you wont be avenged (oh, and Sexy ass my ass) "

It looks like nen-suer is gloating, which is not something you should do in a mafia game (ask me about when I killed Linkz in the star wars round...)


Nen-suer better explain himself soon, it looks like he's slipped up a lot.

And i don't believe i "slipped up" once >_<

Again with the deflecting. ABC isn't questioning if you copied him so much. He's clearly saying you are gloating.



Ok, I'm back from the woods, and I've read all the posts (although I will be gone for a couple more hours to work shortly).

I've started to have some thoughts about the two miller options, and while I still think it is awkward, there could be a perfectly good explanation.

While some of you are indicating that two millers might indicate there are multiple investigative roles, and the roles needed to be weakened, could it not also simply be meant to deceive us, and there not be any investigative roles? I was reading on the mafiascum wiki that sometimes a miller is put into the game simply as a "red herring."

Also, claiming miller immediately is actually one of the methods of playing miller indicated in mafiascum. This way, you are telling your cop that an investigation on you is a waste, because it will come up as scum no matter what.

Also, there really isn't a lot of benefit arising from claiming miller immediately if you are scum. People will be suspicious of everything you say throughout the whole game, and a miller is generally supposed to get lynched at some point, meaning you are just telling the town to lynch a mafia member.

On that note, I have an EXTREMELY hard time after thinking about it that Linkz is indeed scum (although if I interpret right, we should still lynch him eventually).

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On another note, towards Prof, I noticed that you asked for protection because you are stepping on a lot of people's toes. Shouldn't mafia be more interested in a lower key target? If they kill you, we immediately know to look at everybody you targeted with your investigations. I'm thinking you don't quite need protection yet.



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theprof00 said:

13. Yup. Night one who did you visit? This is the crux of the argument. If you answer correctly here, I will drop all my accusations against you. I have a "feeling" that you visited me last night. Is that true?

If i answered correctly huh........

No i didn't visit you last night. I visited hatmoza actually......and i was glad i did until day2 started.

But looking back at your previous posts i think you already knew that...and maybe thats reason for suspecting me.

And if thats indeed the case i think you handled this situation very badly........very very badly.



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Not going to quote a giant post, so I'll use prof's number reference: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4236601

1. I'm with prof on this one. Nen may claim he was cheering because it would be harder for scum to clear themselves, but even before the clarification it's pretty obvious Wonk meant real claims, not fake claims. What kind of idiot claims they are actually mafia? Even if nen's word is taken, then he wasn't considering how bad the implications are for townies, and so the next logical step is nen isn't a townie.

3. Yes I clearly ignored radish: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4230841 and http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4229422

I thought I'd have more to say, but either prof covers it, or I think it's inconsequential.



nen-suer said:
theprof00 said:

13. Yup. Night one who did you visit? This is the crux of the argument. If you answer correctly here, I will drop all my accusations against you. I have a "feeling" that you visited me last night. Is that true?

If i answered correctly huh........

No i didn't visit you last night. I visited hatmoza actually......and i was glad i did until day2 started.

But looking back at your previous posts i think you already knew that...and maybe thats reason for suspecting me.

And if thats indeed the case i think you handled this situation very badly........very very badly.

You've pretty much just trapped yourself into one role.

You haven't been following prof's posts if you think he's seen you visiting hat.



Even if we found out who visited prof last night, there is no way to guess which role that player had - seems to be a pointless line of questioning to me



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Well right now, nen-suer has basically made himself into a bigger suspect than anyone. How many hours are left in the day? If it's less than 24 I'm going to be voting nen-suer.



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Nen-suer just admitted he visited Hatmoza, and that he regretted it! Nen-suer hasn't said a thing about investigating Hatmoza until now, and he didn't define how he "visited" Hatmoza. I'm not even waiting for 24 hours, visiting Hatmoza and gloating about his death yet having nothing to do with it? I don't think so.

 

Vote: nen-suer



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