Runa216 said:
You don't really do this whole 'debate' thing very often, do you? 1 - I am not claiming there is no god. The world is not black and white, as it were. Just because I'm not convinced there IS a god doesn't mean I absolutely believe there is NO god. that's just you extending or assumptions about me into a ridiculus extrapolation so you can prove my ignorance. Also known as the Strawman Fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_fallacy 2 - Okay, so propaganda was the wrong word to use but it seemed the simplest to equate. I didn't want to have to go into detail about how the church promises eternal life, companionship and various other things in exchange for faith and support. There's a whole debate there but it was easier (and while technically inaccurate, a good paralell) to call it propaganda. Long story short, hope and fear are powerful motivators. 3 - Again, I have not been 'beaten down' in any way. Nobody has provided a single compelling point in the other direction. I asked for proof of God's existence and nobody has given that. I repeat, I'm not making bold claims, though I ask that those who do support those claims with evidence. It's honestly not too much to ask and the closest anyone's come to offering solid proof in the other direction is offering some powerful philosophy (thank you Dr Grass), but that's only a "what if' scenario, not proof. Proof has tangible results, the scientific demands the results can be replicated with infinite accuracy , etc. Seriously, your analogy fails because nobody's swinging at me, they're just talking about how silly I am for wanting to fight them. 4 - Again with the strawman (in a roundabout way.) I have no idea who built the pyramids, maybe it was aliens, maybe it was a race of sand creatures. all I do know for a fact is that the pyramids are in Egypt...and according to science were built in the same period the ancient egyptians were supposedly there. If I follow the Evidence, then yes, it's fair to assume the egyptians built the pyramids, but if there was any actual evidence claiming something to the contrary, I'd honestly go "hmmm, interesting." and continue to ponder it. 5 - That's your final argument? This is not an argument, it's not even philosophy. It's not even an apples and oranges comparison, more like apples and ankhs. God never came down, there's nothing in our textbooks about God, jsut about a whole lot of people talking about god. people talk about Xenu, too...do you believe what the church of scientology has to say? Lots of people say they've been abducted by aliens, but just because a lot of people said it, that doesn't mean it's true. It's just a bunch of people making claims without proof. Just because the concept of 'God' caught on early in our history, in a time when people wanted answers and couldn't figure things out. |
You are a master mingling words and hypocrisy thats for sure.
YES you are claiming there is no God. Just because you dont flat out say it, doesnt mean you are not implying it. You either believe in God...or you dont. It's very that simple. I don't need to prove your ignorance.....you do that fine on your own.
I am not twisting your words as you claim.....i called you on actual things you wrote. If you don't want people to take things the wrong way then perhaps you should write your opinions properly ! You called religon propaganda...then you don't. You really have no idea where to go next do you? LOL
You don't get it do you? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? You dance around in circles pretending you do not hear that question. There is give and take at all times. You cannot provide a single shred of proof that God doesnt exist can you?
There is no more actual proof of the Egyptians building the pyramids, as there is God building us. NO PROOF ! You are such a hypocrite.....You ask for solid proof regarding God, yet non solid proof for the pyramids is good enough for you? Proof is proof. Just like non solid proof leads us believers towards God. The same noon solid proof leads you to believe Egyptians build the pyramids. But you refuse to see the other side.
You statements of assumption are no more valid then mine. The final paragraph you wrote is full of nothing. Religon is seperate from school as well as Government. Of course God wont be in a textbook. The statement i underlined pretty much sums you up. Proof, pprrooff, proooof, proufe, proofz.
Scientists go on and on about the Big Bang....yet no proof.
Scientists go on and on about Dark Matter.....yet no proof.
Scientists go on and on about Carbon Dating......yet they have dated coal to 300 million years, but was actually more like 1000 years.
You like to have proof for everything it seems, yet science is a whole lot of theory and assumption itself. But you only choose to believe what you believe.
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