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disolitude said:
benao87 said:
yo_john117 said:
Have MS's stock really stayed the same for the last 10 years or did he "forget" to mention that they have been divided a few times since then?

I think they did take into account the splits, it's on the first paragaph of the "If you invested..." part.

MS is doing fine, but they are indeed a mammoth in a market that prefers flexibility.

He is either wrong or purposely missinformed as a 2:1 microsoft stock split happened in 2003.

Google is also fairly flat since their big rise in 2006 and Intel stock is actually down from ~$35 in 2001 to $20s today with no splits.

So basically this is a biased article?



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yo_john117 said:
disolitude said:
benao87 said:
yo_john117 said:
Have MS's stock really stayed the same for the last 10 years or did he "forget" to mention that they have been divided a few times since then?

I think they did take into account the splits, it's on the first paragaph of the "If you invested..." part.

MS is doing fine, but they are indeed a mammoth in a market that prefers flexibility.

He is either wrong or purposely missinformed as a 2:1 microsoft stock split happened in 2003.

Google is also fairly flat since their big rise in 2006 and Intel stock is actually down from ~$35 in 2001 to $20s today with no splits.

So basically this is a biased article?

I don't think he read, "Eleven years ago nearly to the day, the software giant's stock closed at $27.43 -- adjusted for all of the splits, dividends, and distributions along the way. The stock is trading just shy of that mark right now, making it the poster child for what some investors are calling "the lost decade.""



Eh.................

MS is still hugely successful, not to mention no company ever in history has stayed on top. One day Apple will shrink, Google will downsize, and and someone will pass them up as well.

Basically thank you captain obvious to the article when he says that MS isn't top dog anymore, no company stays top dog. And basically he's a moron when he tries to insinuate that MS is a failing brand.....its not its just as strong as ever it just hasn't grown by leaps and bounds.



BenVTrigger said:
Eh.................

MS is still hugely successful, not to mention no company ever in history has stayed on top. One day Apple will shrink, Google will downsize, and and someone will pass them up as well.

Basically thank you captain obvious to the article when he says that MS isn't top dog anymore, no company stays top dog. And basically he's a moron when he tries to insinuate that MS is a failing brand.....its not its just as strong as ever it just hasn't grown by leaps and bounds.

This.  MS was so HUGELY successful that they honestly couldn't get any bigger.  But even as their market strength weakens, it's still the envy of just about every other software and tech company out there.

But hey, articles like this are written to get hits.  I won't get too worked up over it as I know that, but it is unfortunate that your average person won't be able to recognize it for what it is.



theprof00 said:
yo_john117 said:
disolitude said:
benao87 said:
yo_john117 said:
Have MS's stock really stayed the same for the last 10 years or did he "forget" to mention that they have been divided a few times since then?

I think they did take into account the splits, it's on the first paragaph of the "If you invested..." part.

MS is doing fine, but they are indeed a mammoth in a market that prefers flexibility.

He is either wrong or purposely missinformed as a 2:1 microsoft stock split happened in 2003.

Google is also fairly flat since their big rise in 2006 and Intel stock is actually down from ~$35 in 2001 to $20s today with no splits.

So basically this is a biased article?

I don't think he read, "Eleven years ago nearly to the day, the software giant's stock closed at $27.43 -- adjusted for all of the splits, dividends, and distributions along the way. The stock is trading just shy of that mark right now, making it the poster child for what some investors are calling "the lost decade.""

So that means that MS's stock has fallen to a level back of what they were at 11 years ago?



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kowenicki said:

People might want to look at Market indices over the same period, better still other large corporations over the same period, before reading much into the stock price aspect of this article.

The last ten years have been poor across the board for large caps, aside from a few exceptions.


One of those exceptions is exactly the cause of the problems;....



 


Things are looking better on the gaming front, but Microsoft is barely profitable there despite selling a ton of Xbox 360 consoles and Kinect controllers and collecting juicy software royalties.



Barely Profitable? .... they did what, 22B in profit last year (something like that) Xbox division contribuited 1.3 bill to that, not a massive chunk no, but leaps and bounds ahead of years ago, ahead of Ninty and Sony's divisions, and certainly not barely ... bias and anti article.



 

Seece said:


Things are looking better on the gaming front, but Microsoft is barely profitable there despite selling a ton of Xbox 360 consoles and Kinect controllers and collecting juicy software royalties.



Barely Profitable? .... they did what, 22B in profit last year (something like that) Xbox division contribuited 1.3 bill to that, not a massive chunk no, but leaps and bounds ahead of years ago, ahead of Ninty and Sony's divisions, and certainly not barely ... bias and anti article.


I hope you realize what a tiny percentage 1.3 is of 22. It's just barely above 5% and that's pretty laughable.

OT: I am curious whether it was a nice idea of Microsoft to try to push off their barely profitable Xbox in terms of gaming at the cost of their PC (Windows) division. Considering the gamers were some of their core upholding pillars, it may have jsut come back to bite them in the ass hardcore.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
Seece said:


Things are looking better on the gaming front, but Microsoft is barely profitable there despite selling a ton of Xbox 360 consoles and Kinect controllers and collecting juicy software royalties.



Barely Profitable? .... they did what, 22B in profit last year (something like that) Xbox division contribuited 1.3 bill to that, not a massive chunk no, but leaps and bounds ahead of years ago, ahead of Ninty and Sony's divisions, and certainly not barely ... bias and anti article.


I hope you realize what a tiny percentage 1.3 is of 22. It's just barely above 5% and that's pretty laughable.

OT: I am curious whether it was a nice idea of Microsoft to try to push off their barely profitable Xbox in terms of gaming at the cost of their PC (Windows) division. Considering the gamers were some of their core upholding pillars, it may have jsut come back to bite them in the ass hardcore.

I am aware, and you can dampen it all you like 1.3B is not 'barely profitable' it's more than Sony have ever achieved with the Playstation division since its inception. To put it in perspective.



 

Seece said:

I am aware, and you can dampen it all you like 1.3B is not 'barely profitable' it's more than Sony have ever achieved with the Playstation division since its inception. To put it in perspective.


Why are you so focused about Sony? Sony isn't even relevant when it comes to Microsoft. As far as Microsoft's profits go, the Xbox is basically insignificant and arugably pointless (and possibly harmful given how they decided to fuck a core audience of Windows to barely turn a profit).



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835