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Are you afraid that too many kids are prescribed drugs?

Yes 18 75.00%
 
No 6 25.00%
 
Total:24
Dr.Grass said:
SvennoJ said:
Dr.Grass said:
sethnintendo said:
Dr.Grass said:
Agreed.

Personally I've hardly taken any medication in my life. I'm strongly against children being given meds, except in special cases of course.

Them bastards just want your money. Them fools just want a quick fix solution.


Just reminds me of the late 1800s/early 1900s where people would go around selling cure-alls.  Just take this and you will feel great!  Except that in the end the person is either addicted or has very adverse side effects.

So basically the parents are just looking for a quick fix without really dwelling into any of the consequences.  Too bad most people haven't learned that almost all "quick fixes" never work. 


Strongly agree with this and the general case which you mention after that.

Don't be so quick to blame the parents. The schools are quick to send problem children home, "he's disrupting the class. Get him to a doctor. We can't deal with him if he's not taking his medication" And the doctors are quick to prescribe medication. There's not really an alternative for 2 hard working parents, barely able to keep their heads above water. Expensive therapy and private schools are not an option.

Classes are too big for the teachers to spend extra time with the problem children. When I was young classes of 16-18 were normal, nowadays upto 30 is considered fine.


I was a teacher for one year at one of those prestigious High Schools. My classes ranged from 18 to 38 (yowser!), and my experience told me strongly that education starts with the parents. (in general) The kids that were respectful and decent had caring and involved parents - Parents that were sober in their thinking and set a good example. The kids that gave trouble invariably came from homes where proper conduct was not the order of the day.

"he's disrupting the class. Get him to a doctor. We can't deal with him if he's not taking his medication"

I never encountered statements like these. Before I went to the prestigious High School where the cost is about R25 000 per year (2 500 Euro) I was at a fully state run school with a school fee of R400 (40 Euro!) per year. In both schools he overwhelming majority of teachers tried their best at helping children and never made cold-hearted statemtens like this. Moreover, even in the poverty-stricken schools there were many well cultured children, which shows that its not a financial consideration, but one that starts with the integrity and nature of the parents themselves.

I see an almost one-to-one relation between the child's behaviour and the home he/she comes from, i.e. the home the parents have provided for their children. If parents are in a situation where,

''There's not really an alternative for 2 hard working parents, barely able to keep their heads above water''

The priviledge of raising and educating children is a tremendous responsibility and one that should only be undertaken when not in the situation where the 'head is merely kept above water'. Growing up in an environment like that is EXACTLY the reason for the erratic behaviour in most cases.

So why don't you want me to blame the parents? They are the cause of the child's life and should therefore ensure that he/she is raised in a nurturing and loving environment. Getting children is selfish and spineless if you are not able to create a happy home.

You are absolutely right, there is a lot of blame on the parents. The kid in question was part of a bad break up at age 6, the mother had to flee with the kids and live in a safe house for several months. Whether or not related to that, he developed slightly autistic behaviour and has adhd. The teacher has sent him out of class on several occasions because he was disruptive, and will not listen. The school then inquires whether he takes the right medication for adhd before coming to school. Currently he hides in his room after he comes back from school, not wanting to do anything. This after his older brother (teenager) ran away from home to live with his father that lets him do anything he wants. (eg drinking, playing CoD all night)

How to move forward. The newly married mother tries to do everything to provide a safe environment, order, discipline (chores, homework, the usual). But the law states he has to visit his father which is clearly the disruptive element. She's given up on alerting cps since they just won't do anything about mental abuse.

Anyway way of topic, I'm sure as a teacher you have seen plenty of stories like these. (My mom has been a teacher for 40 years and can't believe the reaction of this particular teacher either) But yes the blame starts with the parents. Or the grandparents, since this all started with a teenage pregnancy. At the moment they're hoping (mother and new father) that his teacher for this year will be engaging more with him. They don't know what to do.



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I can only speak from my own experiences.
Sertraline got me through high school, (Severe OCD destroyed my ability to concentrate, pushing me into depression, and changing me from a straight A student to barely scraping through) and in conjunction with Risperidone and Clonazepam has just about got me through University.
I never had any adverse side effects and I feel and perform vastly better on medication than I did before it.



curl-6 said:

I can only speak from my own experiences.
Sertraline got me through high school, (Severe OCD destroyed my ability to concentrate, pushing me into depression, and changing me from a straight A student to barely scraping through) and in conjunction with Risperidone and Clonazepam has just about got me through University.
I never had any adverse side effects and I feel and perform vastly better on medication than I did before it.



That's a good example where medication can be useful (OCD)