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Forums - Sales Discussion - July NPD - #1 X360, 277k, PS3 148k, Wii 190k, 3DS <115k

S____M____C____C on 12 August 2011

I think PS3 numbers fit in very well with shipment figures, so I think the total LTD we have on this site is accurate enough.

Not sure about the tracking this year, but it doesn't bother me.



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S____M____C____C on 12 August 2011
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.

why would they have similar stock levels if one is supposedly outselling the other by 20k per week and is available in many more markets than the other?

There's been rumours of a new PS3 model coming soon, maybe Sony are trying to slowly phase out the current models?



Seece on 12 August 2011
S____M____C____C said:
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.

why would they have similar stock levels if one is supposedly outselling the other by 20k per week and is available in many more markets than the other?

There's been rumours of a new PS3 model coming soon, maybe Sony are trying to slowly phase out the current models?

The new model is already on shelves now apparantly, just an internal redesign, might have that wrong though.



 

S____M____C____C on 12 August 2011
Seece said:
S____M____C____C said:
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.

why would they have similar stock levels if one is supposedly outselling the other by 20k per week and is available in many more markets than the other?

There's been rumours of a new PS3 model coming soon, maybe Sony are trying to slowly phase out the current models?

The new model is already on shelves now apparantly, just an internal redesign, might have that wrong though.

I'm not 100% sure either, but I think I read an article a few weeks back in which a Sony employee was saying that the new model would have a slightly different chassis and the same internals and functions.

I assumed that a new model would come with a new price.

Guess we will find out soon.



donsterydo2 on 12 August 2011

It's already on the market with very slight visual tweaks and internal modifications.



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nightsurge on 12 August 2011

So just to get this straight, the PS3 was overtracked another 50k again, the Wii still overtracked a bit, and the 360 undertracked a tad but not much at all.

Is that the conclusion we have reached? And as a whole the 360 has been ~200k undertracked for the year in the Americas?



nightsurge on 12 August 2011
RolStoppable said:
nightsurge said:
So just to get this straight, the PS3 was overtracked another 50k again, the Wii still overtracked a bit, and the 360 undertracked a tad but not much at all.

Is that the conclusion we have reached? And as a whole the 360 has been ~200k undertracked for the year in the Americas?

NPD apparently had Wii at 190k according to Pachter, so it was actually undertracked a little bit, just like the 360.

VGC's overall sales to shipment numbers are pretty good right now, so if the 360 has been undertracked in the Americas, it most likely also means that it was overtracked in EMEAA, so the worldwide gain would be nothing.

I agree with that. Though, I have a feeling this current quarter shipments will be much higher due to price cuts taking place late this month/early September. I fell like stock levels for 360 and PS3 both were rather low as of the last shipment data because of the impending price cuts and SKU changes.

Hopefully only one more week till we find out for sure!!



kitler53 on 12 August 2011
bmmb1 said:
kitler53 said:

first ... to say ps3 under tracked and wii over tracked. (someone had to)  :P

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


i win at losing!  xD



D-Joe on 12 August 2011

500k in stock just normal for 360
Undertracked is undertracked,even that means EMEAA overtracked



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Zlejedi on 12 August 2011
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.

why would they have similar stock levels if one is supposedly outselling the other by 20k per week and is available in many more markets than the other?


Why would one have 2 milion units in stock while other 500k if all those small markets accounted to 20k diffrence ?

well it wouldnbt... but that isnt the case is it.

I am referring to the numbers as they are now.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=129135&page=-1#1

Yes and I'm refereing to the numbers as they have been for several previous years.



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