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Forums - Sales Discussion - July NPD - #1 X360, 277k, PS3 148k, Wii 190k, 3DS <115k

D-Joe on 12 August 2011
Ping_ii said:
thismeintiel said:
sales2099 said:
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Just horrible sales across the board.

Rubbish, 277k for X360 in its 6th July is great, 2nd highest July for the console by a margin.


277k with many being given out for free does not impress me. 


360 = 277

PS3 = 148

Considering how ps3 gamers are always raving about their 2011 exclusives versus 360 which isnt getting any big hitters until september.....id say thats downright embarrassing for Sony. 

We should base Sony's embarrassment on the 360's strongest region.  Or maybe we should look at WW to see the bigger picture?  Better yet, Sony should be giving away free PS3's with a bunch of Vaio purchases, that should do wonders for their numbers in the US. 

you guys shouldn't waste more of your time with this dude....

notice how he doesn't comment about how its "DOWN RIGHT EMBARRASING FOR MICROSOFT" on JAPAN sales where even PS2 outsells 360 but he's always present when its NPD which is PS3 weakest region...

is that really embarrasing?PS2 beat 360 at least 1 week in every years

http://gamedatamuseum.web.fc2.com/xbox360.htm



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ImJustBayuum on 12 August 2011

Why is Japan even mentioned on a NPD (american based sales) thread?

360 doing great, especially in comparison to the competition.



Nsanity on 12 August 2011

Microsoft Kinects with a 30% profit jump.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/21/technology/microsoft_earnings/index.htm



Hyruken on 12 August 2011

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 



Lostplanet22 on 12 August 2011
Seece said:
Mad55 said:
Seece said:
TheSource said:

Have you looked at the figures? Its pretty clear Wii & PS3 didnt each drop almost 40% year over year, and so its X360 thats responsible for most of the drop in the industry now - not what Sony and Nintendo have done. This is particularly true given that X360 brings in more revenue than the other two do now each month. We know X360 is down 38% and PS3 / Wii are down a combined 28%. I'd imagine Wii and PS3 are both around 170k in NPD's figures - so they dropped maybe 80k / 45k while X360 dropped 200k, more than both combined.

LOL this is classic.

its crazy how you defend the 360 all the timebut when the source defends the wii you wanna get mad. Y=

I don't defend the 360 all the time, and I certainly don't come out with spin like that. Don't comment on things you have no idea on.

LOL this is classic.



 

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S____M____C____C on 12 August 2011

So, assumingly the PS3 has been over-tracked here for July.

Was June the same, or is this the first time in recent months?

I'm wondering because I think VGC PS3 numbers look about right in relation to shipment numbers.



Seece on 12 August 2011
Lostplanet22 said:
Seece said:
Mad55 said:
Seece said:
TheSource said:

Have you looked at the figures? Its pretty clear Wii & PS3 didnt each drop almost 40% year over year, and so its X360 thats responsible for most of the drop in the industry now - not what Sony and Nintendo have done. This is particularly true given that X360 brings in more revenue than the other two do now each month. We know X360 is down 38% and PS3 / Wii are down a combined 28%. I'd imagine Wii and PS3 are both around 170k in NPD's figures - so they dropped maybe 80k / 45k while X360 dropped 200k, more than both combined.

LOL this is classic.

its crazy how you defend the 360 all the timebut when the source defends the wii you wanna get mad. Y=

I don't defend the 360 all the time, and I certainly don't come out with spin like that. Don't comment on things you have no idea on.

LOL this is classic.

No it's true, people just see what they want to and ignore me slagging off MS' first party all year.



 

Zlejedi on 12 August 2011
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.



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Zlejedi on 12 August 2011
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.

why would they have similar stock levels if one is supposedly outselling the other by 20k per week and is available in many more markets than the other?


Why would one have 2 milion units in stock while other 500k if all those small markets accounted to 20k diffrence ?



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Hyruken on 12 August 2011
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.

why would they have similar stock levels if one is supposedly outselling the other by 20k per week and is available in many more markets than the other?


When comparing the VGC numbers for the year with the NPD numbers for the year there is a difference

The gap between the 360 and PS3 for the 7 months of 2011 in US is acording to VGC at 692k (360 - 2.476m - PS3 - 1.784m)

Where as NPD have the gap at 861k (360 - 2.7m - ps3 - 1.839m)

a difference in gaps of 169k between the two.

Meaning 360 is undertracked by 224k acording to NPDs numbers for the year in US.