Should Russia continue to arm China?

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blkfish92 on 13 August 2011

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How about the world unites and becomes 1 unit, oh wait I forgot we're retarded.

Probably not in our lifetime.

As long as races, states, and traditions are acknowledged and accepted, that's not happening, sadly.

I hate knowing that there's nothing I can do to otherwise change things,

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Killiana1a on 14 August 2011

I voted "yes." Russia arming China is no greater than my country (the USA) giving the UK, France, Israel and other countries the blue print for a nuclear bomb.

As far as another world war is worried about...I don't worry about it. Too much at stake economically. If China is going to be the superpower then they will accomplish it by having the world's largest population of around 2 billion people, being the world's factory (which they already are), and through a fiscal policy which sees them buying up the vast debt of other nations from the profits they reap from having every developed nation's firms producing their consumer goods in their factories.

Environmentalists be very afraid. The USA is a nation of circa 310 million. Just imagine if 20% or more of China's population wanted to emulate the lifestyle of those in the USA.

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Porcupine_I on 14 August 2011

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If they don't sell to them, somebody else will.

True but who? There's an embargo by the EU (which France is desperately trying to lift with no success), Nato countries won't due to US pressure same goes for Israel and of course the US won't. There's no one else that can make advanced weapon systems that China wants.

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mai on 14 August 2011

As promised, I'm answering some of you rant:

Joelcool7 said:

Well Russia sold an air carrier to a third party in which it landed up in China's Government's hands. Yah it is still Russia selling it to China. Unless your niave enough to believe Russia really has no idea who they sell their weapons too. Its like when the American's armed the Taliban, no the US didn't directly hand the weapons to the Taliban they sold the weapons through middle men.

That's a horrible comparison, I'd suggest that Chinese are "tad" more predictable, responsible and open to conversation than Taliban.

Of course Russia isn't always directly supplying countries with arms but to honestly believe they are not selling them knowingly to these countries is absurd.

To my great regret, we do not make shady arms deals, all deals, which've finished with actual delivery, are official and usually covered by press. But if you're interested how shady arms deals are made, here's the link. I wouldn't be surprised if Pentagon turns out to be the biggest AK dealer. Or read smth on how France and Qatar supply Libyan insurgents with arms and ammo.

Its like if an M2-A1 Abrams tank landed up in North Africa. Would their be any doubt that America knew where the tank was headed? And thats just a single tank this is a freaking Air Carrier and Russia only has a few of em.

This's "Goergia" all over again. How exactly you've managed to misspell smth as short as M1A2? Anyways as if anybody is interested in M1.

On sidenote. As I see it media seem to focus on the problem of "Chinese threat" more than it deserves. Previously I thought this idee fixe of certain journalists was for internal use only, but now I see some western media outlets is pushing it as well. And people are gladly eating what they're being fed. This whole story around Shilang (which is not combat-ready and never ever will be, I can guarantee you that), looks to me as a red flag, one of many indications of a media trend. And this ain't coming from China, which is trying to avoid "world domination" role it's been pushed to by all means, though wouldn't be against of idea to cut Americans from it's sea borders (and you don't need aircraft carriers for that, Chinese are investing in different military tech for that purpose).