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Should Russia continue to sell arms to China?

Yes 21 58.33%
 
No 14 38.89%
 
Total:35

It's silly that some peole still fear for full scale war between big developed nations. Economical reasons (and nukes) make it impossible that big nations will wage war agains each other. That is why it's so bizarre to me why especially US uses so much money in their army.



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Russia has reason to worry, given population decline in the maritime provinces and the fact that Chinese immigrants now outnumber ethnic Russians in many areas. The Chinese remember that that land was claimed from the Manchu Empire way back when, and they have the people to populate the land, all they need is the tech to secure their claim

Though at the same time, Russia needs the weapons money.



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KillerMan said:

It's silly that some peole still fear for full scale war between big developed nations. Economical reasons (and nukes) make it impossible that big nations will wage war agains each other. That is why it's so bizarre to me why especially US uses so much money in their army.


Doesn't change the likelihood of proxy wars between nuclear armed nations and non-nuclear nations.

It is very plausible that in the next 20 years we'll see major conflicts in Asia. Most of South East Asia is rallying against China (Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia along with already hardliners in Taiwan, Japan and South Korea). Eventually, something may or will happen.

Economics has muffled many potential conflicts, but in the end, someone will want to claim the resources in the Spralty's, and that force is likely to be China v. Vietnam + Philippines.

It wouldn't take much more than a diversionary strike or two to lead to bigger, worse things. Most armies in Asia have very modern weapon systems sans the Philippines and could readily take on China if need be.

 

In response to OP, I think it'd be smarter if Russia began to arm China's enemies more just like they did after the Sino-Soviet split. There is more money in countries without the ability to make copies vs. selling a few designs and licensing production.



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Joelcool7 said:
mai said:
Joelcool7 said:

..current carrier which Russia had sold them.

The most funny thing in the thread is that the whole premise of it actually never happened.

Well Russia sold an air carrier to a third party in which it landed up in China's Government's hands.

It wasn't sold to Ukraine for god's sake, see NiKKoM post above. In fact, negotiation took almost a year before Russia gave up on buying it from Ukraine, so it ended up in China as a scrap metal.

Although we rarely have a talk, every damn time you seem can't get your facts right :D

Maybe I'll answer rest of your rant later.



mai said:
Joelcool7 said:
mai said:
Joelcool7 said:

..current carrier which Russia had sold them.

The most funny thing in the thread is that the whole premise of it actually never happened.

Well Russia sold an air carrier to a third party in which it landed up in China's Government's hands.

It wasn't sold to Ukraine for god's sake, see NiKKoM post above. In fact, negotiation took almost a year before Russia gave up on buying it from Ukraine, so it ended up in China as a scrap metal.

Although we rarely have a talk, every damn time you seem can't get your facts right :D

Maybe I'll answer rest of your rant later.


Well I can barely recall talking to you in many threads your not a member I actively debate. As for my facts no I did not do much research into the ship I was going based off of the news story I saw on TV and then an article I read about it. THe news story was about how China aquired a Soviet Air Craft Carrier and had plans to manufacture another three ships based on the Soviet design. The report then stated Russia was upset that China was using its designs. The article never said that Russia sold the carrier, I just assumed they did as its a Russian Air craft carrier and Russia didn't have tons of them.

Fact that the Ukraine sold it is pretty bad in itself. I apologize for my mis-information.

If I do get my facts wrong I like it when I am corrected. No reason to get get pissed off!



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Porcupine_I said:
If they don't sell to them, somebody else will.

interesting enough, the Aircraft Carrier was sold to a private company who allegedly wanted to turn them into a casino, with a contract condition not to use it for any military purposes. who is behind i's ending up in china is a bit of a mystery


This. Russia might as well make money.



How about the world unites and becomes 1 unit, oh wait I forgot we're retarded.



           

Russia never sells China it's most advanced weapons systems. That's reserved for India. Also Russia doesn't have to worry at the moment cause they are 10-20 years ahead in military R&D. It will take a while for China to catch up but they are doing so at a rapid pace. Still Russia will milk China for what they can as they know they can't forever. China will one day catch up and perhaps overtake them in military technology with or without Russian assistance. They can afford to spend vast sums on R&D.

About the aircraft carrier, I hope China doesn't go the way the US has with a gigantic offensive military, 800+ military bases worldwide and 10+ aircraft carriers. However as long as the US continues to have a huge military with an offensive posture and dominate the Pacific the way they do then it seems like China will invest huge sums in upgrading their navy and other military branches to deter the US. They full well remember when Clinton sent in a couple of aircraft carriers to deter them from influencing the Taiwanese elections with hostile acts. Of course nowadays the US wouldn't be able to get so close to China like back then as China has much better equipment now.



Porcupine_I said:
If they don't sell to them, somebody else will.


True but who? There's an embargo by the EU (which France is desperately trying to lift with no success), Nato countries won't due to US pressure same goes for Israel and of course the US won't. There's no one else that can make advanced weapon systems that China wants.



blkfish92 said:
How about the world unites and becomes 1 unit, oh wait I forgot we're retarded.

Probably not in our lifetime.

As long as races, states, and traditions are acknowledged and accepted, that's not happening, sadly.