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Based of well-fare of their own people,world change caused and influence on the world

Alexander the Great 25 22.32%
 
Julias Caesar 19 16.96%
 
Adolf Hitler 21 18.75%
 
Genghis Khan 19 16.96%
 
Napoleon 5 4.46%
 
Queen Victoria 7 6.25%
 
Charlemagne 7 6.25%
 
Darius the Great 7 6.25%
 
Total:110

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A 'ruler' does not become 'greatest' or 'great' by simply winning battles, he has to rule the people good enough. The combination is hardly seen in any ruler here in the list.

 

So, my question is, where is the option 'Muhammad (pbuh)'? 


Here are few notable instances of his life:

1. He cancelled the slavery system from the Arabs.

2. He removed the racism and differences between black and white people.

3. He lead a normal life. His wife Khadiza (R) gave her all her wealth but he spent all of them for the poor. He had only a mat to sleep on the floor.

4. His beloved daughter asked him for a maid to help her in her household work as he was in charge of distributing wealth from government account. He refused to do so instead told her to be patient.

5. He was victorious in all of his battles. In the Battle of Badr, 313 Muslims faced 1000 men of Quraish who were even far superior in terms of weapons, and defeated the Quraish. In the Battle of Uhud, 700 Muslims faced 3000 Quraish’s soldiers and the result remained draw. In Battle of Ahzab, Prophet’s 3,000 men defended Madinah against allied forces of 10,000 strong and forced the allies to withdraw their siege of the city. In the Battle of Khaibar, Prophet conquered the Jews with a force of only 1400 men while the Jews living in the strong forts of Khaibar were no less than 10,000. In the Battle of Mutah, the Prophet sent 3000 Muslims who successfully faced professionally trained and well-equipped army of 100,000 of the ruler of Ghussan. In the last year of his campaigns, Muhammad (PBUH) marched against Rome with a force of 30,000 while the Romans had organised a force of over 100,000 strong on the borders of the infant Islamic state.

6. He was a believer of peace. During his early prophethood, people of Mecca abused him and mocked and tortured him and his followers. Even he was forced to leave Mecca to Medinah for saving his life. But when he conquered Mecca after few years, he pronounced 'forgiveness' for all.

7. He introduced the system of 'Jakat' for the poor people where a Muslim with certain amount of wealth had to pay it. The rate was 2.5%. 'Jakat' was gathered in the 'baitul maal' (treasury in islamic state) and distributed among the poor. In spite of having lots of wealth in his control, he lead a very poor life wearing torn clothes and eating inexpensive foods.

8. Even though he was a leader, he worked with the muslims. In the battle of 'trench' when Muslims were digging trench around Medinah to defend themselves from the attack of the Non-muslims, everyone was working including the ruler Muhammad pbuh. Few companions of him came and complained that they did not have food from yesterday. Muhammad pbuh smiled and removed his shirt to show a stone tied with his belly. He said, I did not have any food from last 3 days.

9. He treated Muslims and Non-muslims equally. He prohibited the destruction of non-muslim prayer places.


In spite of these great achievements, he is not mentioned by some historians that much. I read his life story and I can say he was the best ruler of his time.



babuks said:
Where is the option 'Muhammad (pbuh)'?

Here are few notable instances of his life:


1. He cancelled the slavery system from the Arabs.

sure but its limited to a small group,almost every ruler does the same for his own people

2. He removed the racism and differences between black and white people.

racism can never be removed

if somebody thinks it has been removed then he is a fool and bind

a thing which is visibly different will never be eradicated from the world

its like saying its human to treat every person equally,but that is just soceity fooling us as nobody can be treated equally if they all don't do as much work for the soceity which rarely happens

3. He lead a normal life. His wife Khadiza (R) gave her all her wealth but he spent all of them for the poor. He had only a mat to sleep on the floor.

welfare is better,giving money to poor people who don't do work is not equality

4. His beloved daughter asked him for a maid to help her in her household work as he was in charge of distributing wealth from government account. He refused to do so instead told her to be patient.

what kind of a reason is this,you could tell 100 stories of other people also

5. He was victorious in all of his battles. In the Battle of Badr, 313 Muslims faced 1000 men of Quraish who were even far superior in terms of weapons, and defeated the Quraish. In the Battle of Uhud, 700 Muslims faced 3000 Quraish’s soldiers and the result remained draw. In Battle of Ahzab, Prophet’s 3,000 men defended Madinah against allied forces of 10,000 strong and forced the allies to withdraw their siege of the city. In the Battle of Khaibar, Prophet conquered the Jews with a force of only 1400 men while the Jews living in the strong forts of Khaibar were no less than 10,000. In the Battle of Mutah, the Prophet sent 3000 Muslims who successfully faced professionally trained and well-equipped army of 100,000 of the ruler of Ghussan. In the last year of his campaigns, Muhammad (PBUH) marched against Rome with a force of 30,000 while the Romans had organised a force of over 100,000 strong on the borders of the infant Islamic state.

good but bravery doesn't mean great

its everything that matters


6. He was a believer of peace. During his early prophethood, people of Mecca abused him and mocked and tortured him and his followers. Even he was forced to leave Mecca to Medinah for saving his life. But when he conquered Mecca after few years, he pronounced 'forgiveness' for all.

this is not a thread for who had the best quality

and i say forgiveness is a thought doesn't mean everyody should be forgiven,it would be betraying the people who stood by the rules

peace is a joke concept,the real definition of peace comes from Gandhi

don't do anything you want to do,be submissive and be a slave


7. He introduced the system of 'Jakat' for the poor people where a Muslim with certain amount of wealth had to pay it. The rate was 2.5%. 'Jakat' was gathered in the 'baitul maal' (treasury in islamic state) and distributed among the poor. In spite of having lots of wealth in his control, he lead a very poor life wearing torn clothes and eating inexpensive foods.

8. Even though he was a leader, he worked with the muslims. In the battle of 'trench' when Muslims were digging trench around Medinah to defend themselves from the attack of the Non-muslims, everyone was working including the ruler Muhammad pbuh. Few companions of him came and complained that they did not have food from yesterday. Muhammad pbuh smiled and removed his shirt to show a stone tied with his belly. He said, I did not have any food from last 3 days.

same thing again,alot things like this can be written about other people too

9. He treated Muslims and Non-muslims equally. He prohibited the destruction of non-muslim prayer places.

so what,this isn't the battle of what religion is better

and it can't be true as the religion he would be of,he would try others to convert to it

In spite of these great achievements, he is not mentioned by some historians that much. I read his life story and I can say he was the best ruler of his time.

alot of them are best for their time but you need to work for the future

its like the americans,get indebted and enjoy now and get fucked later or get your children fucked



Snakenobi,

You said a lot of things can be mentioned there could be found in many other's life. Can you show some like-instances?

Slavery and racism were prevalent among non-muslims until one-two centuries ago (racism still exist). But Muhammad pbuh cancelled slavery and no muslim ever practiced that afterwards.

If bravery does not mean great, then what? We are talking about rulers here. So, bravery is one of the key elements here.

His achievements were not for the few decades he ruled but lasted many years after his death. Muslims ruled Spain over 800 years, in Indian subcontinent for 800 years, Turkey had a great run in conquering... But I don't go for the detail in that. The point is that, his influence ran through several generations after his death.



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Rath said:
Teo said:
You ask who was the greatest ruler of all time which suggest who had the most positive polices for the common good of society and the world at large.

But that list is full of military conquerors and long time rulers, might as well add Fidel Castro as well.

Fidel Castro hardly counts as a great conqueror. He only ever conquered Cuba.


I was refering to his long career as a dictator avoiding assasinations and any invasion from the U.S.



Where exactly is Tokugawa Ieyasu? Akbar the Great? Suleyman the Lawgiver?
In addition, you don't have a single Chinese ruler in spite of the fact that China has been the world's most advanced civilization for most of human history.
Also, considering that your descriptions of those rulers sound more like advertisements, I'm not sure if this thread is to be taken seriously.
Now, I could go on to criticize how you seem to consider military expansion an important aspect of ruling when this has mainly (but not entirely) been a European habit and civilizations such as India, China and Japan have usually been concerned with internal affairs instead, I won't because there are already enough blatant flaws in this thread.
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Immortal said:
Where exactly is Tokugawa Ieyasu? Akbar the Great? Suleyman the Lawgiver?

there influence is pretty low if you talk all the over the world

In addition, you don't have a single Chinese ruler in spite of the fact that China has been the world's most advanced civilization for most of human history.

i would have included them but there are too many rulers that contributed,there isn't one significant and they are a pretty closed soceity who don't care what goes on outside there boundries.

there civilization has always had strenght but they keep it to themselves


Also, considering that your descriptions of those rulers sound more like advertisements, I'm not sure if this thread is to be taken seriously.
Now, I could go on to criticize how you seem to consider military expansion an important aspect of ruling when this has mainly (but not entirely) been a European habit and civilizations such as India, China and Japan have usually been concerned with internal affairs instead, I won't because there are already enough blatant flaws in this thread.

i know the eastern soceity doesn't care about the outside world.

but my aim was who has contributed to change and shaping of the modern world.

eastern soceity keep to themselves but now we have learnt that the world has to work together.

they can't keep to themselves forever,that limits human advancements and now they have fallen behind.



I don't think Alexander the Great belongs to this list.
He spent most of his time as a ruler far away from his country busy extending his empire and as a result he had little time to actually administrate his empire and as a result the empire exploded as soon as he died and his legacy was very small...
He would however belong in a list of the great military commanders....

if you want to list great rulers, list some which had a lasting legacy and managed to significantly impact the life of their citizens. ( that's why I picked Napoleon as a lot of his legacy is still alive in the administrative domain in France. You can argue about his warmongering but did a lot more than that).



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