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Based of well-fare of their own people,world change caused and influence on the world

Alexander the Great 25 22.32%
 
Julias Caesar 19 16.96%
 
Adolf Hitler 21 18.75%
 
Genghis Khan 19 16.96%
 
Napoleon 5 4.46%
 
Queen Victoria 7 6.25%
 
Charlemagne 7 6.25%
 
Darius the Great 7 6.25%
 
Total:110
Teo said:
You ask who was the greatest ruler of all time which suggest who had the most positive polices for the common good of society and the world at large.

But that list is full of military conquerors and long time rulers, might as well add Fidel Castro as well.

Fidel Castro hardly counts as a great conqueror. He only ever conquered Cuba.



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TeddostheFireKing said:
since 2 other people besides myself have mentioned Bismarck, can he be added to the poll over someone else perhaps? (I'm guessing Charlemagne, since only okr mentioned him and that was only for Europe)


bismark was great guy but i would say he was still small time content with one location and too low of influence to the world and didn't cause as much world change as the others

Charlemagne only did influene europe but europe has been the influence of most of what modern world is about so i would say he is pretty influencial

i can't add him to the poll as they cannot be rewitten



superchunk said:
snakenobi said:
superchunk said:
snakenobi said:
superchunk said:
In your list, I'd go with Ghengis Kahn as you seem to be basing it on expansion and military prowess.

However, I'd actually vote for the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, of the Muslim/Arab empire; since he kicked off how Arabs conquered and managed their empire.

Additionally, he reunited a group that was quickly falling into disarray after the death of the Prophet. Arabia was quickly falling back into conditions prior to the Prophet's control over the entire Arab region, including civil wars.

The Arab Empire's size and scope at its peak was only beat by Ghengis Kahn, however, one principle missed out of all of these is that all of the areas conquered by Arabs became heavily influenced by Arabs to this modern day. (even through other later conquers like Europeans)

From language to religion. Most are purely Islamic states and even those that purged themselves of Islam still have Arab customs and language as a significant part of their culture.

Example is that of Spain and Spanish culture. The roots of many words, titles, and cultural significance all stem from Arabs and Arabic. But, I guess that would happen if your entire nation was ruled by another for over 800years.

Heck, it even converted the mongol empire after they captured everything east of Iraq. This is why so many 'stan' nations are Muslim, as they were all part of this empire before and after the Mongol empire's acceptance of Islam.


isn't that the same with buddhism,christianity

arabicsislam left its legacy but in what condition?

3 of the 4 areas of Khan's empire accepted Islam. Most of all the mongol rulers, including Khan himself, has Muslims in the most critical and influential posts. Islam had the biggest impact on that empire easily.

buddhism is no where near the other two in growth size etc

Christianity is definitely there as a religion greatly helped by various empires.

christianity flourished as the western soceity were curious kind of fellows

buddhism mainly in eastern soceity doesn't go beyond a certain limits,they like to be content with what they have

southern which is islam,i would envies the other two,they are a mix of both have strict laws and also want others to come under their belief

 

every cultures has its inspiration but i wouldn't give any extra importance to islam

I don't beleive I was giving it extra importance. I was stating that it was an example of the legacy of the Arab Empire as it was defined by its first Caliph.

yeah got what ur saying

but their own people are in so much priblems and their influence on the world is pretty low



snakenobi said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
since 2 other people besides myself have mentioned Bismarck, can he be added to the poll over someone else perhaps? (I'm guessing Charlemagne, since only okr mentioned him and that was only for Europe)


bismark was great guy but i would say he was still small time content with one location and too low of influence to the world and didn't cause as much world change as the others

Charlemagne only did influene europe but europe has been the influence of most of what modern world is about so i would say he is pretty influencial

i can't add him to the poll as they cannot be rewitten

 

Are we talking about the greatest ruler of all time here or them most influential? They aren't necessarily going to be the same person.



Rath said:
snakenobi said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
since 2 other people besides myself have mentioned Bismarck, can he be added to the poll over someone else perhaps? (I'm guessing Charlemagne, since only okr mentioned him and that was only for Europe)


bismark was great guy but i would say he was still small time content with one location and too low of influence to the world and didn't cause as much world change as the others

Charlemagne only did influene europe but europe has been the influence of most of what modern world is about so i would say he is pretty influencial

i can't add him to the poll as they cannot be rewitten

 

Are we talking about the greatest ruler of all time here or them most influential? They aren't necessarily going to be the same person.

greatest rulers would have the greatest influence and cause world change

when you are a ruler,you create a civilization and a soceity and the world continues that

most of the world just doesn't speak english automatically



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snakenobi said:
Rath said:
snakenobi said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
since 2 other people besides myself have mentioned Bismarck, can he be added to the poll over someone else perhaps? (I'm guessing Charlemagne, since only okr mentioned him and that was only for Europe)


bismark was great guy but i would say he was still small time content with one location and too low of influence to the world and didn't cause as much world change as the others

Charlemagne only did influene europe but europe has been the influence of most of what modern world is about so i would say he is pretty influencial

i can't add him to the poll as they cannot be rewitten

 

Are we talking about the greatest ruler of all time here or them most influential? They aren't necessarily going to be the same person.

greatest rulers would have the greatest influence and cause world change

when you are a ruler,you create a civilization and a soceity and the world continues that

most of the world just doesn't speak english automatically

I'd describe a great ruler as somebody who brought along peace, prosperity and culture. So Augustus Caesar over Julius Caesar.



Rath said:
snakenobi said:
Rath said:
snakenobi said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
since 2 other people besides myself have mentioned Bismarck, can he be added to the poll over someone else perhaps? (I'm guessing Charlemagne, since only okr mentioned him and that was only for Europe)


bismark was great guy but i would say he was still small time content with one location and too low of influence to the world and didn't cause as much world change as the others

Charlemagne only did influene europe but europe has been the influence of most of what modern world is about so i would say he is pretty influencial

i can't add him to the poll as they cannot be rewitten

 

Are we talking about the greatest ruler of all time here or them most influential? They aren't necessarily going to be the same person.

greatest rulers would have the greatest influence and cause world change

when you are a ruler,you create a civilization and a soceity and the world continues that

most of the world just doesn't speak english automatically

I'd describe a great ruler as somebody who brought along peace, prosperity and culture. So Augustus Caesar over Julius Caesar.

peace,prosperity and culture has to be maintained and outsiders have to be fought to continue and extend it

 

for example bismark was a great guy but his empire one day fell,and its legacy was threatned

adolf hitler tried to continue it,influenced and changed the wold forever.although germany fell even with adolf the influence within his own people and the world and culture and prosperity that is there.



Bismarck was a very canny leader, make no mistake, he played European power politics brilliantly, but yes, the empire he solidified (under the authority of the Kaiser, of course) was of lesser influence in the immediate time than some of the greats listed

It all depends on your criteria.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

It should be military dictators. But out of your list Genghis Khan was by far the most superior



Why the hell did you left Suleman the Magnificent? He ruled almost all of muslim world that is today, and almost expanded Ottoman empire all the way to Italy.

His Imperial Majesty The Sultan Süleyman I,

Sovereign of the Imperial House of Osman,
Sultan of Sultans,
Khan of Khans,
Commander of the Faithful and Successor of the Prophet of the Lord of the Universe,
Protector of the Holy Cities of Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem,
Emperor of The Three Cities of Constantinople, Adrianople and Bursa, and of the Cities of Damascus and Cairo, of all Azerbaijan, of the Magris, of Barka, of Kairuan, of Aleppo, of Arabic Iraq and of Ajim, of Basra, of El Hasa, of Dilen, of Raka, of Mosul, of Parthia, of Diyarbakır, of Cilicia, of the Vilayets of Erzurum, of Sivas, of Adana, of Karaman, of Van, of Barbary, of Abyssinia, of Tunisia, of Tripoli, of Damascus, of Cyprus, of Rhodes, of Candia, of the Vilayet of the Morea, of the Marmara Sea, of the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea and also its coasts, of Anatolia, of Rumelia, Baghdad, Greece, Turkistan, Tartary, Circassia, of the two regions of Kabarda, of Georgia, of the plain of Kypshak, of the whole country of the Tartars, of Kefa and of all the neighbouring countries, of Bosnia and its dependencies, of the City and Fort of Belgrade, of the Vilayet (District) of Serbia, with all the castles, forts and cities, of all Albania, of all Iflak and Bogdania, as well as all the dependencies and borders, and many other countries and cities.