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Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:
Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:

S&P Blames GOP For U.S. Credit Problem, Associated Press, Politico Cover It Up

S&P clearly lays the blame at the Republican's feet in their report downgrading our nation's credit rating. Clearly the number one problem for S&P is the lack of courage the Republicans have shown when it comes to raising revenue. Twice the report mentions the Republicans by name. Yet that doesn't stop the lying American hating Republicans from trying to blame our President for their cowardice and destructive policies. So arm yourself with the facts, this downgrade is owned lock stock and barrel by the GOP and the Tea Party.





http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=94858

From the report.

"Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue
measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate
for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing."


Aside from which they place most of the blame long term on not reforming entitlements and a perceived inability to get that done.  Who's holding out on that again?

"In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."


In otherwords, biased article that probably just typed republicans and democrats in a search bar, rather then reading the whole thing and noticing where they actually place the blame.  AP and Politico aren't hiding anything, it's just they've actually read and understood the report!

Which was, in general not cutting the deficit (An equal problem) and greater entitlement reform. (A democratic one.)

Or... as they put it.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the
structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt
burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated
sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions,"
June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in
framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to
manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to
achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal
stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus
might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S. population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

 

The whole "political consesnus might ermerge after 2012" sounds a lot like "Democrats might lose control of the senate and presidency to me."


I think that democrates will take the all of it. Tea party held the country hostage and s&p came out and blamed them for not pushing up revenue. Tax increases.

 

You seem to have missed this.

The Standard & Poors' rating agency decision to reduce the United States' long term debt from AAA to AA+ was explained in a press release that specifically mentioned "the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues," should, itself, make headlines like "Standard And Poors Blames U.S. Credit Rating Reduction On Republicans."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=94858


I didn't miss it.

I read the entire thing.  You seemed to have missed EVERYTHING ELSE written.

They didn't just blame the republicans.  They blamed the republicans first, then talked about a number of structual problems that are the real meat of the problem, that are going unchanged because of Democrats.

They specifically named Uncertainty in REPUBLICAN PARTY and revenue. I read everything and what you don't understand is that cuts in spending is the ending the bush tax cuts. 40% of the stimulus was tax cuts. The tea party only wanted to cut from the poor. Republicans got 98% of what hey wanted. Dems wanted to cut from both and do a balanced approach. Rep. Said no way. SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. THEY WHERE THE ONES TO UPHOLD THE THE REVENUE AND THE UNCERTAINTY. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THAT YOU ARE LOST.



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Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:
Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:

From the report.

"Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue
measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate
for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing."


Aside from which they place most of the blame long term on not reforming entitlements and a perceived inability to get that done.  Who's holding out on that again?

"In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."


In otherwords, biased article that probably just typed republicans and democrats in a search bar, rather then reading the whole thing and noticing where they actually place the blame.  AP and Politico aren't hiding anything, it's just they've actually read and understood the report!

Which was, in general not cutting the deficit (An equal problem) and greater entitlement reform. (A democratic one.)

Or... as they put it.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the
structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt
burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated
sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions,"
June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in
framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to
manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to
achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal
stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus
might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S. population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

 

The whole "political consesnus might ermerge after 2012" sounds a lot like "Democrats might lose control of the senate and presidency to me."

Feel free to spin it anyway you want. thats exactly what All REPUBLICONS ARE DOING, YES CONS.


(Note: Big part gotten rid of for being obnoxiously big)

So get your facts straight. People are starving buddy. So go and give your money to the rich so they can put it into a offshore account and put this country even more in the dumps. People like the koch brothers make a hell a lot more money when the economy is in the dumps. Guess who started the tea party and funded it. Yes thats right, Koch brothers. They are the richest people in new york. Wonder where you info comes from.

 

they also cited the bush tax  cuts which have been in place sense the beginning of bush's presidency. So hold up, was that the start of our economy slipping into the dumps. why yes that was. giving the rich more money don't work. Reagan started this trickle down effect and now look where we are, in a mess and people seem to think it works. the numbers are out and republicons have ran congress for most of this last 11 years. Congress spends the money buddy. So who put us in this mess. Yet they get into congress agains and what happens again. You are clearly blind.


You do realize that everything you've said here is completely non related to the topic stated at hand right?

All it does is show that your overwhelming bias is clouding your judgement about what S&P actually said... cause you know.  They didn't say any of that.

Though yeah, they did mention the Bush tax cuts.

Which at best would be about... 400 Billion of a problem thats 4 to 15 trillion large.  If you'd note, that's why even Democrats always talk about "Growing the Base' now.  Which means... taxing the middle class and poor more.

If you actually rationally look at the budget, and realize how much neds to be cut in a year, the only four things big enough to cut to stop the budget shortfall are Defense, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

You could cut the Military budegt in half, and you still wouldn't be halfway to solving he problem, because Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid are all set to beign balooning due to our age demographics.... and you'd have a smaller military budget then even the most liberal liberals and libretarians in government would suggest makes sense.

All told S&P said more or less.

"More cuts are needed, and this recent issue showed that even with their backs against the wall, Republicans and Democrats have trouble working together, they need to make up the budget deficit so it stops growing by either tax increases, spending cuts or both and MUST tackle entitlement reform for the long term."



If more people held the positions republicans did during this debate, the crisis would of been solved.  Had more people held the Democratic positon during the debate... we still would of been downgraded because there wouldn't of been proper entitlement reform.

WOW. OK it all don't need to be cut in one year. You cut bush tax cuts 25%. end the wars25%. Cuts to our defense bugdet that bush doubled. Put that money into infrastructure and you out grow your debt. People go back to work on roads, bridges........ They all pay taxes and bills, buy things.  thats what we did to get out of the depression. Adding inflation we where in twice as much dept as we ARE in now.  Everyone is blaming tea party accept right wing FANATICS. Funny you are using all of there talking points.

 

ALL REPUBLICAN IDEALS ARE STILL IN PLACE SINCE BUSH. IT STILL HAS NOT CHANGED BECAUSE OBAMA IS A PUSH OVER AND HAS ALLOWED CONSERVATIVE IDEALS TO CONTINUE. BUSH TAX CUTS. SO IF ALL CONSERVATIVE IDEALS ARE STILL IN PLACE.  WHY ARE WE IN DEBT IF YOUR IDEALS WORK. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! THATS THE END OF YOUR DEBATE.

 

EXAMPLES.

DEREGULATION OF BUSINESSES/ BUSH TAX CUTS/ DOUBLED DEFENSE SPENDING. ALL STILL IN PLACE. IF YOU WANT I CAN PULL UP MORE.  ALL CONSERVATIVE IDEALS. THAT DON'T WORK. PERIOD.

KEEP SPINNING WHATEVER YOU WANT BUT I'M RIGHT. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.



YOU CLEARLY HAVE NOT PAY ATTENTION!!!!!



I'm not sure how to feel about this. Something tells me it was inevitable, so I'm not surprised. Can't help but feel disappointed though.



bannedagain said:
Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:
Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:

S&P Blames GOP For U.S. Credit Problem, Associated Press, Politico Cover It Up

S&P clearly lays the blame at the Republican's feet in their report downgrading our nation's credit rating. Clearly the number one problem for S&P is the lack of courage the Republicans have shown when it comes to raising revenue. Twice the report mentions the Republicans by name. Yet that doesn't stop the lying American hating Republicans from trying to blame our President for their cowardice and destructive policies. So arm yourself with the facts, this downgrade is owned lock stock and barrel by the GOP and the Tea Party.





http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=94858

From the report.

"Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue
measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate
for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing."


Aside from which they place most of the blame long term on not reforming entitlements and a perceived inability to get that done.  Who's holding out on that again?

"In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."


In otherwords, biased article that probably just typed republicans and democrats in a search bar, rather then reading the whole thing and noticing where they actually place the blame.  AP and Politico aren't hiding anything, it's just they've actually read and understood the report!

Which was, in general not cutting the deficit (An equal problem) and greater entitlement reform. (A democratic one.)

Or... as they put it.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the
structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt
burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated
sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions,"
June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in
framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to
manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to
achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal
stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus
might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S. population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

 

The whole "political consesnus might ermerge after 2012" sounds a lot like "Democrats might lose control of the senate and presidency to me."


I think that democrates will take the all of it. Tea party held the country hostage and s&p came out and blamed them for not pushing up revenue. Tax increases.

 

You seem to have missed this.

The Standard & Poors' rating agency decision to reduce the United States' long term debt from AAA to AA+ was explained in a press release that specifically mentioned "the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues," should, itself, make headlines like "Standard And Poors Blames U.S. Credit Rating Reduction On Republicans."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=94858


I didn't miss it.

I read the entire thing.  You seemed to have missed EVERYTHING ELSE written.

They didn't just blame the republicans.  They blamed the republicans first, then talked about a number of structual problems that are the real meat of the problem, that are going unchanged because of Democrats.

They specifically named Uncertainty in REPUBLICAN PARTY and revenue. I read everything and what you don't understand is that cuts in spending is the ending the bush tax cuts. 40% of the stimulus was tax cuts. The tea party only wanted to cut from the poor. Republicans got 98% of what hey wanted. Dems wanted to cut from both and do a balanced approach. Rep. Said no way. SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. THEY WHERE THE ONES TO UPHOLD THE THE REVENUE AND THE UNCERTAINTY. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THAT YOU ARE LOST.

No... ending tax cuts are not "Cuts in spending."

Tax cuts aren't spending.

That's like saying working overtime = cutting your spending.

Also no, Democrats didn't want to do both.  Democrats only said they did, after the republicans outright told them they had to cut... and even then the Democrats couldn't offer anywhere near enough cuts to do anything or offer any real entitlement change.



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bannedagain said:
Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:
Kasz216 said:
bannedagain said:

From the report.

"Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue
measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate
for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing."


Aside from which they place most of the blame long term on not reforming entitlements and a perceived inability to get that done.  Who's holding out on that again?

"In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."


In otherwords, biased article that probably just typed republicans and democrats in a search bar, rather then reading the whole thing and noticing where they actually place the blame.  AP and Politico aren't hiding anything, it's just they've actually read and understood the report!

Which was, in general not cutting the deficit (An equal problem) and greater entitlement reform. (A democratic one.)

Or... as they put it.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the
structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt
burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated
sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions,"
June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in
framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to
manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to
achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal
stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus
might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S. population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

 

The whole "political consesnus might ermerge after 2012" sounds a lot like "Democrats might lose control of the senate and presidency to me."

Feel free to spin it anyway you want. thats exactly what All REPUBLICONS ARE DOING, YES CONS.


(Note: Big part gotten rid of for being obnoxiously big)

So get your facts straight. People are starving buddy. So go and give your money to the rich so they can put it into a offshore account and put this country even more in the dumps. People like the koch brothers make a hell a lot more money when the economy is in the dumps. Guess who started the tea party and funded it. Yes thats right, Koch brothers. They are the richest people in new york. Wonder where you info comes from.

 

they also cited the bush tax  cuts which have been in place sense the beginning of bush's presidency. So hold up, was that the start of our economy slipping into the dumps. why yes that was. giving the rich more money don't work. Reagan started this trickle down effect and now look where we are, in a mess and people seem to think it works. the numbers are out and republicons have ran congress for most of this last 11 years. Congress spends the money buddy. So who put us in this mess. Yet they get into congress agains and what happens again. You are clearly blind.


You do realize that everything you've said here is completely non related to the topic stated at hand right?

All it does is show that your overwhelming bias is clouding your judgement about what S&P actually said... cause you know.  They didn't say any of that.

Though yeah, they did mention the Bush tax cuts.

Which at best would be about... 400 Billion of a problem thats 4 to 15 trillion large.  If you'd note, that's why even Democrats always talk about "Growing the Base' now.  Which means... taxing the middle class and poor more.

If you actually rationally look at the budget, and realize how much neds to be cut in a year, the only four things big enough to cut to stop the budget shortfall are Defense, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

You could cut the Military budegt in half, and you still wouldn't be halfway to solving he problem, because Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid are all set to beign balooning due to our age demographics.... and you'd have a smaller military budget then even the most liberal liberals and libretarians in government would suggest makes sense.

All told S&P said more or less.

"More cuts are needed, and this recent issue showed that even with their backs against the wall, Republicans and Democrats have trouble working together, they need to make up the budget deficit so it stops growing by either tax increases, spending cuts or both and MUST tackle entitlement reform for the long term."



If more people held the positions republicans did during this debate, the crisis would of been solved.  Had more people held the Democratic positon during the debate... we still would of been downgraded because there wouldn't of been proper entitlement reform.

WOW. OK it all don't need to be cut in one year. You cut bush tax cuts 25%. end the wars25%. Cuts to our defense bugdet that bush doubled. Put that money into infrastructure and you out grow your debt. People go back to work on roads, bridges........ They all pay taxes and bills, buy things.  thats what we did to get out of the depression. Adding inflation we where in twice as much dept as we ARE in now.  Everyone is blaming tea party accept right wing FANATICS. Funny you are using all of there talking points.

 

ALL REPUBLICAN IDEALS ARE STILL IN PLACE SINCE BUSH. IT STILL HAS NOT CHANGED BECAUSE OBAMA IS A PUSH OVER AND HAS ALLOWED CONSERVATIVE IDEALS TO CONTINUE. BUSH TAX CUTS. SO IF ALL CONSERVATIVE IDEALS ARE STILL IN PLACE.  WHY ARE WE IN DEBT IF YOUR IDEALS WORK. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! THATS THE END OF YOUR DEBATE.

 

EXAMPLES.

DEREGULATION OF BUSINESSES/ BUSH TAX CUTS/ DOUBLED DEFENSE SPENDING. ALL STILL IN PLACE. IF YOU WANT I CAN PULL UP MORE.  ALL CONSERVATIVE IDEALS. THAT DON'T WORK. PERIOD.

KEEP SPINNING WHATEVER YOU WANT BUT I'M RIGHT. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

 

You do know that the democrats had a super majority in the first two years right... as in, they could of did anything they wanted too, gotten rid of any republican plans and there wouldn't of been a single thing the republicans could of did about it.


Anything in place because the Neoconservatives wanted it in, that's still in place is because the liberals ALSO want it.  Liberals and Neo Conservatives think alike in a lot of issues.  Afterall Obama wanted to keep like 95% of the bush tax cuts.

There really isn't any spinning involved, the SP said what it said, you should go back and re-read the entire thing and you'd get it.





Oddly enough, US treasury sales have been better since the downgrade. I guess thanks to the European fiscal disaster.

You'd normally expect treasury sales to be down after a credit rating downgrade... since the credit rating is a rating on how likely you are to pay off your treasuries.