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Do you approve your president/prime minister?

Yes 36 23.08%
 
No 103 66.03%
 
Not sure 14 8.97%
 
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non-gravity on 01 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
non-gravity said:

You wanted to say she's great as long as she doesn't listen to Sarkozy too much and the other garlic states to the south?

???

In Dutch the term "knoflooklanden" which I translated is used for the incompentent countries of Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece



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Rath on 01 August 2011

 

John Key. I somewhat dissaprove - he's not awful but he hasn't really done anything for the country - he's very much a politicians politician, full of smiles and talk but very little action. He's also much better than the leader of the opposition who has the personality of a damp rag. It's probably unfortunate for Key that he's following in the role one of the best Prime Ministers NZ has had, Helen Clark.



sapphi_snake on 01 August 2011
non-gravity said:
sapphi_snake said:
non-gravity said:

You wanted to say she's great as long as she doesn't listen to Sarkozy too much and the other garlic states to the south?

???

In Dutch the term "knoflooklanden" which I translated is used for the incompentent countries of Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece

And what is the relation between garlic and incompetence?



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non-gravity on 01 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
non-gravity said:
sapphi_snake said:
non-gravity said:

You wanted to say she's great as long as she doesn't listen to Sarkozy too much and the other garlic states to the south?

???

In Dutch the term "knoflooklanden" which I translated is used for the incompentent countries of Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece

And what is the relation between garlic and incompetence?

it stinks



baggy on 01 August 2011

I somewhat dissapprove of her leadership as the way she got elected wasn't completely fair. She has also lied admittedly and about many policies that she promised in her campaigne. Still I also disprove of the oppisition leader.I'm to young to vote anyway...

At the moment I would say not sure



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maximus22 on 01 August 2011
baggy said:

I somewhat dissapprove of her leadership as the way she got elected wasn't fair. She has also lied admittedly and about many policies that she promised in her campaigne. Still I also disprove of the oppisition leader.I'm to young to vote anyway...

At the moment I would say not sure


An attractive redhead with a great rack.  For many men that right there would win their vote.



maximus22 on 01 August 2011
starcraft said:
spurgeonryan said:
Bush was horrible, Obama has been the best in 20 years. Clinton was close.

I work in health policy and majored in economics at uni.  From those standpoints, I abhore Obama, as much as he seems like a nice guy.

Can I ask why you think he has been great?  I mean that genuinely, as I know a lot of Americans are very disillusioned with his inability to deliver key targets of economic guidance.


I would also like to know why you think Obama is great.  I know I can come up with a long list of why he's not, starting with healthcare.  The only thing Obama has done well is orate and keep the media on his side.  This is the main reason why his dismal approval rating is as high as it is.  Obama makes both Clinton and Bush look like FDR.  (Bill not Hilary, that woman is hitler incarnate.)



starcraft on 01 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
starcraft said:

The existence of a successful and racially homogenous Japan largely refutes your first paragraph.

As for your second paragraph, I agree that that view is entirely false.  But it is also inaccurate to suggest that the liberal media is any less prominant than the conservative media.  In fact, I believe most reasonable estimates indicate far more major networks and print medias are left biased than right biased.  By definition, marginalizing peoples views because one does not like them is intolerance.

The example you listed is an issue of incorrect facts, the examples I am referring to, namely immigration and the role it should play in society, are plagued by pros and cons, and are entirely subjective.  Marginalizing them, as liberal media and politics often does, is most certainly a display of intolerance.

See, Japan is actually an example of the opposite of what you claim. The country had an isolationist policy 'till the mid 19th century, when the US forced Japan to open itself to the Western world. The country went from an archaic one to a modern and powerful economical force. The influence of outside cultures has had a bigger importance for Japan's success as they'd like to admit, especially with the growing nationalistic sentiments over there. It's also important to note that even traditional Japanese culture wouldn't even exist if it weren't for their contact with China.

Regarding the part in italics, subjectivity has no place in the immigration debate. Also, as I said, not tolerating intolerance is not wrong. The views that you say aren't tolerated and marginalized are so because they're irrational.

I can't tell if you deliberately missed my point or not...

The majority of right wing groups in Europe aren't protesting against links with the outside world in the same vein as Japan has, they are opposing immigration.  Japan has virtually no non-Japanese immigration.  Why on Earth would subjectivity be irrelevant in an immigration debate?  There are firm reasons for and against immigration.  It is subjective which side of the coin you come down on, but neither side is factually incorrect.



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Hephaestos on 01 August 2011
starcraft said:

But it is just this sort of intolerance of discussion and opinion from the liberal media (who ironically are meant to be most in favour of tolerance of expression) that has led to right wing groups feeling marginalized, the first stage in the emergence of people like Anders Behrin Breivik.

Great post


My essay to get into Uni was about this, I got praised by the review board. (and my uni was wildly international and pluricultural)

I made a parallel between the anti LePen (right wing xenophobic politician) protests and the way the media interviewed people saying "how could you be voting for him?" "what happened for you to vote him?" "portrait of the people who resulted to voting him as a last resor".... so very biased, to the KKK marches in the 60ies that were shieled from the crowd by black students who were asking for tolerance and freedom of speech for all.

The media made such a scene on this that, yes, many people came to vote.... but LePen got less votes than on the first round (first round is between X number of candidates and the second round is between the top 2 candidates... so in all logic, they can only have more votes).... the media effectively made people ashamed of expressing their democratic choice.

I voted Chirac on the first round to make sure he was in the second round (would have voted an other guy but that was the smart vote).... I was so disgusted by the media that I ended up voting LePen as a contestation vote on the second round (that and I was sure Chirac would win, he ended with 82% votes). I was actually in the debalotting team at the voting station... people were literally cursing at each vote LePen got.... very democratic process... I'm pretty sure some votes got switched in some small towns ^^.



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Hephaestos on 01 August 2011
Troll_Whisperer said:
osamanobama said:
wow, i am glad that views like sapphi snake are in the tiny extreme left minority (though they are growing, which is very very scary). if these views were more wide spread we would probably have another holocaust.

Don't exaggerate. I don't think he intends to exterminate the jewish people.

Also, Hitler was extreme right wing, so your logic is fataly flawed. So was the terrorist in Norway. Any ideology taken to the extreme can end up with a wacko killing hundreds.

Gulag

 

enough said....



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