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sapphi_snake said:
starcraft said:

The existence of a successful and racially homogenous Japan largely refutes your first paragraph.

As for your second paragraph, I agree that that view is entirely false.  But it is also inaccurate to suggest that the liberal media is any less prominant than the conservative media.  In fact, I believe most reasonable estimates indicate far more major networks and print medias are left biased than right biased.  By definition, marginalizing peoples views because one does not like them is intolerance.

The example you listed is an issue of incorrect facts, the examples I am referring to, namely immigration and the role it should play in society, are plagued by pros and cons, and are entirely subjective.  Marginalizing them, as liberal media and politics often does, is most certainly a display of intolerance.

See, Japan is actually an example of the opposite of what you claim. The country had an isolationist policy 'till the mid 19th century, when the US forced Japan to open itself to the Western world. The country went from an archaic one to a modern and powerful economical force. The influence of outside cultures has had a bigger importance for Japan's success as they'd like to admit, especially with the growing nationalistic sentiments over there. It's also important to note that even traditional Japanese culture wouldn't even exist if it weren't for their contact with China.

Regarding the part in italics, subjectivity has no place in the immigration debate. Also, as I said, not tolerating intolerance is not wrong. The views that you say aren't tolerated and marginalized are so because they're irrational.

I can't tell if you deliberately missed my point or not...

The majority of right wing groups in Europe aren't protesting against links with the outside world in the same vein as Japan has, they are opposing immigration.  Japan has virtually no non-Japanese immigration.  Why on Earth would subjectivity be irrelevant in an immigration debate?  There are firm reasons for and against immigration.  It is subjective which side of the coin you come down on, but neither side is factually incorrect.



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