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richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:

Me i'd take living till 90 and a rich dude being immortal, vs everyone living till 80.

 

How about a system where, you have a few percentage on top end up being immortal, but your life expectancy decreases?  American ranks lower than other nations because it has a lower life expectency rate than them, particularly among the industrialized nations.

Now your just going in circles.  Already responded to why you were mistaken on this, twice.  By adopting other nations healthcare standards, medical research vastly drops, as does medical discovery, leading to everybody getting worse healthcare, in the world.

By adopting our healthcare standards, medical research greatly increases, as does medical discovery, leading to better healthcare, everywhere and for everyone.



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Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:

Me i'd take living till 90 and a rich dude being immortal, vs everyone living till 80.

 

How about a system where, you have a few percentage on top end up being immortal, but your life expectancy decreases?  American ranks lower than other nations because it has a lower life expectency rate than them, particularly among the industrialized nations.

Now your just going in circles.  Already responded to why you were mistaken on this, twice.  By adopting other nations healthcare standards, medical research vastly drops, as does medical discovery, leading to everybody getting worse healthcare, in the world.

By adopting our healthcare standards, medical research greatly increases, as does medical discovery, leading to better healthcare, everywhere and for everyone.

I am referring to a trend where the average life expectancy is actually decreasing.  This is happening in pockets (at least) of the United States).  Despites what you are saying, the fact there is places where Americans are living shorter lives:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/life-expectancy-in-the-us-varies-widely-by-region-and-in-some-places-is-decreasing/2011/06/13/AGdHuZVH_story.html

This is happening while other parts of the world are seeing increases in their longevity.



richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:

Me i'd take living till 90 and a rich dude being immortal, vs everyone living till 80.

 

How about a system where, you have a few percentage on top end up being immortal, but your life expectancy decreases?  American ranks lower than other nations because it has a lower life expectency rate than them, particularly among the industrialized nations.

Now your just going in circles.  Already responded to why you were mistaken on this, twice.  By adopting other nations healthcare standards, medical research vastly drops, as does medical discovery, leading to everybody getting worse healthcare, in the world.

By adopting our healthcare standards, medical research greatly increases, as does medical discovery, leading to better healthcare, everywhere and for everyone.

I am referring to a trend where the average life expectancy is actually decreasing.  This is happening in pockets (at least) of the United States).  Despites what you are saying, the fact there is places where Americans are living shorter lives:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/life-expectancy-in-the-us-varies-widely-by-region-and-in-some-places-is-decreasing/2011/06/13/AGdHuZVH_story.html

This is happening while other parts of the world are seeing increases in their longevity.

It's happening only in pockets... it says so in the very first sentence of the artilce you posted. I'm sure the same could be said for most other countries that are big enough to have differing regions, as regions change via population.

I'm sure life expectancy is decreasing in areas where rich french people are moving out and poor muslim immigrants are moving in.

Furthermore, actually looking at the map provided... i'm seeing very places where life expectancy is actually in the negatives.  It looks like... less then ten counties.  Looking into a couple, they seem to be nearly deserted counties that are likely to more likely fall victim to sampling errors due to smaller numbers.

  I'd say you'd been misled.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/life-expectancy-map/


Edit: FYI, even in nations with completely socialized medicine there is a life expectancy gap between the rich in the poor.  Hell, there is even a surgery survivial gap... rich people are just more likely to surivive ilnesses, and less likely to develop illnesses and other problems.



And let's get back to the reality of the situation, where you said that the rest of the world should have a system like America and not universal health care. What would happen to the world, if it ended up with health care that renders the same life expectancy as Chile for seven times the costs?
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-most-inefficient-healthcare-system-in-the-world-2011-3

So the key to the world being what it is, is a system that produces health benefits for seven times the cost as Chile but renders the same results?



richardhutnik said:
And let's get back to the reality of the situation, where you said that the rest of the world should have a system like America and not universal health care. What would happen to the world, if it ended up with health care that renders the same life expectancy as Chile for seven times the costs?
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-most-inefficient-healthcare-system-in-the-world-2011-3

So the key to the world being what it is, is a system that produces health benefits for seven times the cost as Chile but renders the same results?


Except your running away from the reality of the situation.  Not towards it.

I've already shown why life expectancy is a horrible indicator of healthcare to begin with.

Nice way to just completely bounce back after being proven completely wrong on your entire theisis point and repeat an already disproven arguement, for the second post in a row, rather then say... actually consider the fact you might be wrong for a moment though.