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carlos710 on 01 January 2008
Yojimbo said:
carlos710: What PS3 games have failed to make profit? Lair is the only on in my mind and it deserved it.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales

 

Try to guess which ones.

 

Hint: Most games under 500k (ports under 250k)



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CrashMan on 01 January 2008

Well, I don't know if an argument of the profitability of software titles is really even possible without knowing exact development costs.

Also, a profit for whome? The publisher? The developer? The Hardware Manufacturer?

Any 3rd party developed and published title for a console will make the Hardware Manufacturer money in and of itself as their financial investment is almost entirely in the hardware. If you look soley at license fees and dev kit purchasing all that money goes to the HM with little investment by the manufacturer (maybe some time and money invested in assisting the developer in learning how to develop for the system)

However, if a developer (and more likely a publisher, unless the publisher and developer are in essence the same) doesn't make a profit repeatedly, their support for the system may fade.

Take COD4 for example. Any idea of the development costs? Any idea how much the developer and publisher get for each title sold, after taking out distributers cuts, any manufacturer's cuts, promotion, manufacturing costs, distribution, etc.



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FJ-Warez on 01 January 2008
krik said:
FJ-Warez said:
krik said:
leo-j said:
@dabuaus

I actually think every console except the wii was undertracked in NA, the wii might have been overtracked.

Not really, 360 was over tracked by VGC when comparing to the last 2 months of NDP data. It was over tracked 200k in 2 months.


Maybe NPD undertracked the 360 :P

 

Oh man, leo-j is getting better and better...


Right because VGC's 2% sample is way more efficient than NDP's 40-60% sample.

Don't fool yourself my friend. 360 is over tracked in both America and Others (France/Germany at the very least but I have a feeling it's over tracked in UK too). On the other hand, the PS3 seems to be under tracked in Others too.

Anyway, lets wait for end of January to see the official numbers on Sony/MS/Nintendo earnings reports.


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Bonafide732 on 01 January 2008
carlos710 said:
Yojimbo said:
carlos710: What PS3 games have failed to make profit? Lair is the only on in my mind and it deserved it.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales

 

Try to guess which ones.

 

Hint: Most games under 500k (ports under 250k)


id rather you name em....  maybe ps3 owners arent stupid... why people support inferior ports by buying them.. wise up carlos wise up...



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carlos710 on 01 January 2008
Bonafide732 said:
carlos710 said:
Yojimbo said:
carlos710: What PS3 games have failed to make profit? Lair is the only on in my mind and it deserved it.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales

 

Try to guess which ones.

 

Hint: Most games under 500k (ports under 250k)


id rather you name em.... maybe ps3 owners arent stupid... why people support inferior ports by buying them.. wise up carlos wise up...


It's sad, but most publishers/developers are stupid in some way. Even if they release crappy games they always expect them to sell well, if they don't they will blame the userbase of the console.

 

Thats how the myth about "only Nintendo games sells on Nintendo consoles" started 10 years ago.



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Jandre02 on 01 January 2008
CrashMan said:
hunter_alien said:

 yeah right ... the flop of recent FF and MGS games prooves it . Fable will be a million seller , but it will not push hardware . Halo Wars is not the old FPS game , and except the avid Halo fans , whom allready have a 360 nobody will buy a console for this game . Too Human will be a sim iklar hit as Mass Effect , but not bigger , and I dont see that game boosting hardware significantly ... oh and Alan Wake ... that game may not even be a million seller . 

 

Now , most PS3 owners got their PS3 thinking about MGS4 and FFXIII , and knowing that even this two games may warant their high-priced console . Bealive me ,  MGS and FF are far from beeing tired IPs ...


If most PS3 owners got their PS3s for MGS4 and FFXIII, then why would you think those title would be system sellers?  Wouldn't the people who want these game, by your logic, already own a PS3?

No its the same thing that happened with Halo 3. Some people got it as soon as possible because they knew they wanted Halo 3. Others waited until the months before and after release to get their 360's.

Same thing with the PS3. Those games are already selling systems and will sell a great deal more when those games are released.

Its like this, GAMES dont really sell system, like a library of games. Its a GAME that sells systems, then a library supports it. So, the PS3 has lots of games that sell systems (you know a list) then it has games like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, COD4, Rock Band, Warhawk that support the system.

 The Xbox360 has Halo 3, Gears of War that sell systems. Even though BioShock and Mass Effect were brilliant games, most people pick those up because they bought the system for the other two, and found out that those games were good OR they were about to buy Halo 3 in a month, but heard about that game it bought it early.

I don't think many people bought an XBox360 solely for Mass Effect or Bioshock. 

 



KillerMan on 01 January 2008
carlos710 said:
Yojimbo said:
carlos710: What PS3 games have failed to make profit? Lair is the only on in my mind and it deserved it.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales

 

Try to guess which ones.

 

Hint: Most games under 500k (ports under 250k)


Many of them miss one of two other charts(japan,europe) and many of them are puplished couple of weeks or months ago. Some games sells years.



gamingdevil on 01 January 2008
Bonafide732 said:
carlos710 said:
hunter_alien said:
Because Sega was sayiong te same a month before they burried the Dreamcast ... thats why . People lie all the time you know .

Then go and say that to Capcom. In my case i take their word over yours.

Oh , and a game doesnt has only to break even , it also has to bring some profit in ...

Which most ps3 games have failed to achieve.

 

Don't forget that Zack & Wiki it's at about 150k now and still needs to be released in 'others'. It's obviously going to bring profits, like RE:UC is doing already.


the ps3 games that deserved to break even have done so...


Oh , and a game doesnt has only to break even , it also has to bring some profit in ...




Bonafide732 on 01 January 2008
carlos710 said:
Bonafide732 said:
carlos710 said:
Yojimbo said:
carlos710: What PS3 games have failed to make profit? Lair is the only on in my mind and it deserved it.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales

 

Try to guess which ones.

 

Hint: Most games under 500k (ports under 250k)


id rather you name em.... maybe ps3 owners arent stupid... why people support inferior ports by buying them.. wise up carlos wise up...


It's sad, but most publishers/developers are stupid in some way. Even if they release crappy games they always expect them to sell well, if they don't they will blame the userbase of the console.

 

Thats how the myth about "only Nintendo games sells on Nintendo consoles" started 10 years ago.

WTF?! i actually agree with you.. yea that is sad but thats what happens when a bunch of suits and ties run these companies who are non gamers themselves...

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darendt on 01 January 2008

Bottom line is that the PS3 is outselling the 360 on a weekly basis right now and taking away there market share. If this continues the PS3 will catch up to and pass the 360 by years end