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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Actually he would have.

The fact that he believed in secret societies pretty much makes it seem like he would of did this no matter what he believed.

No matter what political party he believed in he likely thought the secret society controlled the world and prevented his side from being able to express their views and went crazy and shot people.

It wasn't his views that made him paranoid.

Dude was always parnoid.  Parnoia isn't really something you "catch" from beliefs.

It's something you either get naturally via birth, drug use that causes a chemical inbalance in your brain or a dramatic truamatic event that effects your life.

Wouldn't you call a belief like "mulsims wanna invade Europe" a paranoid one? This doesn't exist only in his mind, but is constantly perpetuated by right wingers. Are you going to deny that bombarding people with such messages isn't going to eventually 'cause situations like these? It's not like the US is a stranger to fear mongering (which always comes from right wing groups). You should be more aware of this stuff.

Tell me how you think that bombarding people with a message like that is going to cause this to happen.

Like what psychological triggers this causes... and how it's different from any other statement.

Spree killers act for a variety of reasons.

One did because he was "fighting excessive femnimism." (Hey like your crazy parnoid belief.  Though one of your more Neo-con views admittidly.)

Another did it because of "excessive population growth" (Hey extreme left wing view on that one.)


Any "extreme" statement is a trigger, right or left... and the actual content of the statement is largely inherently meaningless.  These kinds of people WANT to do this and are only looking for an excuse.

If it wasn't Muslims, they'd just pick the next most extreme view. 

To bring up serial killers Jeffery Dahmer says he became a serial killer because "He realized their was no god, and therefore, there was no reason to kill people like he wanted."

That's really just it... spree killers want to kill people, and they'll use whatever excuse they can find... and they'll basically just use any excuse.

What usually triggers spree killers isn't ideology.

It's parnoia, combined with something else being wrong with their brain, combined with feeling powerless in their own personal lives.  So they project this powerlessness into the world at large, usually due to some shadow group keeping them down, then all the failures and problems in the world can be attributed to the group... or if not a shdaow group one politcal party (either does well) and eventually they feel so powerless in their personal life they snap and want to feel power via gunning down people giving them power over life and death.

Then they either kill themselves or by someone else because they don't want to be taken prisoner and lose that power.  Or don't, because they're too afraid of death.

To stop spree killers you basically have to stop a "powerlessness" feeling which is a LOT harder then you'd think.  As can be seen by this case in norway.

 



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Actually he would have.

The fact that he believed in secret societies pretty much makes it seem like he would of did this no matter what he believed.

No matter what political party he believed in he likely thought the secret society controlled the world and prevented his side from being able to express their views and went crazy and shot people.

It wasn't his views that made him paranoid.

Dude was always parnoid.  Parnoia isn't really something you "catch" from beliefs.

It's something you either get naturally via birth, drug use that causes a chemical inbalance in your brain or a dramatic truamatic event that effects your life.

Wouldn't you call a belief like "mulsims wanna invade Europe" a paranoid one? This doesn't exist only in his mind, but is constantly perpetuated by right wingers. Are you going to deny that bombarding people with such messages isn't going to eventually 'cause situations like these? It's not like the US is a stranger to fear mongering (which always comes from right wing groups). You should be more aware of this stuff.

you cant be serious? this is a joke right?

nah, pushing grandma off a cliff, saying republicans want to kill you, saying Social Securty checks wont be written, nah thats not fear mongering.

do you even read what you write, you are so blinded by your idealogy



Kasz216 said:

Tell me how you think that bombarding people with a message like that is going to cause this to happen.

Like what psychological triggers this causes... and how it's different from any other statement.

Spree killers act for a variety of reasons.

One did because he was "fighting excessive femnimism." (Hey like your crazy parnoid belief.  Though one of your more Neo-con views admittidly.)

Another did it because of "excessive population growth" (Hey extreme left wing view on that one.)


Any "extreme" statement is a trigger, right or left... and the actual content of the statement is largely inherently meaningless.  These kinds of people WANT to do this and are only looking for an excuse.

If it wasn't Muslims, they'd just pick the next most extreme view. 

To bring up serial killers Jeffery Dahmer says he became a serial killer because "He realized their was no god, and therefore, there was no reason to kill people like he wanted."

That's really just it... spree killers want to kill people, and they'll use whatever excuse they can find... and they'll basically just use any excuse.

What usually triggers spree killers isn't ideology.

It's parnoia, combined with something else being wrong with their brain, combined with feeling powerless in their own personal lives.  So they project this powerlessness into the world at large, usually due to some shadow group keeping them down, then all the failures and problems in the world can be attributed to the group... or if not a shdaow group one politcal party (either does well) and eventually they feel so powerless in their personal life they snap and want to feel power via gunning down people giving them power over life and death.

Then they either kill themselves or by someone else because they don't want to be taken prisoner and lose that power.  Or don't, because they're too afraid of death.

 

This was no mere spree killing, but a terrorist attack carefully planned out for 9 years. This was much more than what you described.



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osamanobama said:

you cant be serious? this is a joke right?

nah, pushing grandma off a cliff, saying republicans want to kill you, saying Social Securty checks wont be written, nah thats not fear mongering.

do you even read what you write, you are so blinded by your idealogy

"pushing grandma off a cliff"? Why did I even bother reading a comment posted by you, I do not know...



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Tell me how you think that bombarding people with a message like that is going to cause this to happen.

Like what psychological triggers this causes... and how it's different from any other statement.

Spree killers act for a variety of reasons.

One did because he was "fighting excessive femnimism." (Hey like your crazy parnoid belief.  Though one of your more Neo-con views admittidly.)

Another did it because of "excessive population growth" (Hey extreme left wing view on that one.)


Any "extreme" statement is a trigger, right or left... and the actual content of the statement is largely inherently meaningless.  These kinds of people WANT to do this and are only looking for an excuse.

If it wasn't Muslims, they'd just pick the next most extreme view. 

To bring up serial killers Jeffery Dahmer says he became a serial killer because "He realized their was no god, and therefore, there was no reason to kill people like he wanted."

That's really just it... spree killers want to kill people, and they'll use whatever excuse they can find... and they'll basically just use any excuse.

What usually triggers spree killers isn't ideology.

It's parnoia, combined with something else being wrong with their brain, combined with feeling powerless in their own personal lives.  So they project this powerlessness into the world at large, usually due to some shadow group keeping them down, then all the failures and problems in the world can be attributed to the group... or if not a shdaow group one politcal party (either does well) and eventually they feel so powerless in their personal life they snap and want to feel power via gunning down people giving them power over life and death.

Then they either kill themselves or by someone else because they don't want to be taken prisoner and lose that power.  Or don't, because they're too afraid of death.

 

This was no mere spree killing, but a terrorist attack carefully planned out for 9 years. This was much more than what you described.

That really isn't any different.  The columbine killings were planned out in advance too.  It took him 9 years to get the balls to do it.

Aside from which.  Look at Al Queda, a terroist operation.

Why are they terrorists?  "America and the West control the world and cause EVERYTHING bad in our countries.  Until we take them down, all of our lives will be shit and we'll have no control in our lives."

It's the EXACT same shit.  There are just more of them in the middle east because the middle east is full of bullshit repressive dictatorships that horribly disenfranchise people.



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sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:

you cant be serious? this is a joke right?

nah, pushing grandma off a cliff, saying republicans want to kill you, saying Social Securty checks wont be written, nah thats not fear mongering.

do you even read what you write, you are so blinded by your idealogy

"pushing grandma off a cliff"? Why did I even bother reading a comment posted by you, I do not know...

You may not be aware... but that was an actual demcoratic commercial made against the republicans and aired on TV.

See the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U&feature=player_embedded

Democrat crazy fearmongering BS just isn't reported as much.

Keep in mind... Paul Ryan's budget plan actually didn't effect any seniors medicare.

It was something that effected people who weren't on medicare, and didn't come into effect right away and came into effect gradually... and kept medicare alive, rather then get rid of medicare.



sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:

you cant be serious? this is a joke right?

nah, pushing grandma off a cliff, saying republicans want to kill you, saying Social Securty checks wont be written, nah thats not fear mongering.

do you even read what you write, you are so blinded by your idealogy

"pushing grandma off a cliff"? Why did I even bother reading a comment posted by you, I do not know...

what... liberals litterally had a commercial showing republicans pushing grandma off a cliff, dems are famous for fear mongering.



Kasz216 said:

That really isn't any different.  The columbine killings were planned out in advance too.  It took him 9 years to get the balls to do it.

Aside from which.  Look at Al Queda, a terroist operation.

Why are they terrorists?  "America and the West control the world and cause EVERYTHING bad in our countries.  Until we take them down, all of our lives will be shit and we'll have no control in our lives."

It's the EXACT same shit.  There are just more of them in the middle east because the middle east is full of bullshit repressive dictatorships that horribly disenfranchise people.

It didn't necessarily take him 9 years to "get the balls to do it". He needed an opportunity and a good plan. Have you ever planned a terrorist attack before? I haven't, but I doubt they just wake up one day and say "hey, I'm gonna get my gun and start shooting people".



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

That really isn't any different.  The columbine killings were planned out in advance too.  It took him 9 years to get the balls to do it.

Aside from which.  Look at Al Queda, a terroist operation.

Why are they terrorists?  "America and the West control the world and cause EVERYTHING bad in our countries.  Until we take them down, all of our lives will be shit and we'll have no control in our lives."

It's the EXACT same shit.  There are just more of them in the middle east because the middle east is full of bullshit repressive dictatorships that horribly disenfranchise people.

It didn't necessarily take him 9 years to "get the balls to do it". He needed an opportunity and a good plan. Have you ever planned a terrorist attack before? I haven't, but I doubt they just wake up one day and say "hey, I'm gonna get my gun and start shooting people".

Basically what the kids at columbine did.  They got the idea, and planned it out for a while, and eventually executed it.  It's quite normal for it to be planned.  The planning phase makes them feel a little better in itself.  It's like when people escalate into serial killers.



Kasz216 said:

You may not be aware... but that was an actual demcoratic commercial made against the republicans and aired on TV.

See the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U&feature=player_embedded

Democrat crazy fearmongering BS just isn't reported as much.

Keep in mind... Paul Ryan's budget plan actually didn't effect any seniors medicare.

It was something that effected people who weren't on medicare, and didn't come into effect right away and came into effect gradually... and kept medicare alive, rather then get rid of medicare.

The commercial seemed more metaphorical to me. I don't think anyone was suggesting that republicans wanted to literally push grandmas off cliffs. And it seems to me the reason why fear mongering from democrats isn't reported is because... the impact is simply not that big.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)