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Origin, I like your listing and pretty much agree.

Where I disagree is...

PS3 - GTA will not push PS3's, why it is port to 360 as well. I beleive that the crowd that will buy this game will buy it more on 360 and thus not be a big system seller for sony. Heavenly Sword, though, I think it should be in the first list. I *might* consider buying a PS3 for this game. I think it looks like a really good game, something close to Gears of War.

 Wii - Wii Sports 2 will not push as the people who already jumped to Nintendo did so due to the first one. Mario Galaxy probably won't either because it is the same typical Nintendo crowd that bought one for Zelda. I also think SSB:Brawl will launch this xmas and will definately push Wii to sell over 1m units in all three territories for December. It will probably sell out of all consoles world wide and be near 4m in WW sales for hardware.



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NGS is Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

 I think that Mario Galaxy will mostly likely be pushed back in 2008. (along with SSBB)

Look at MP3. Set for June, but now it pushed back til Holiday.
Its a long waiting time for a decent game on the Wii til fall. (If im incorrect, please tell me.)

 

And finally,
Why did you put game NOT coming out this in the "Games coming out this year" column.



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Good comments chunk, although I'm going to have to rebut back, but I do take on board a lot of things.

A lot of what I've said is being overly harsh on EVERY game in the entire list.  Of course a lot of people will buy a PS3 or a Wii for a lot of those games in that list... that is what will continue to drive sales at the current levels and follow the traditional sales curves of the year, going up for Christmas of course, that is why the big games come out in Christmas because it helps to push consoles in the Christmas period.  Heavenly Sword is definitely a case of this, it will appeal to some people but it is the type of game, nor the style of game that will cause a consistent sales surge that can be attributed to more monthly units.

MGS2 (to the least extent) GTA3, Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo are what really started off the PS2, I have similar feelings towards the games sequels coming to PS3.  These games have MASSIVE expectations and they will likely deliver.

I think GTA4 WILL push PS systems, GTA players are traditionally Playstation players now, while it will come out on 360 I think that to a GTA player that doesn't own either a 360 or PS3 will choose the PS3 version simply because of the brand for this.  It will still push heaps of hardware for PS3, more than it will push hardware for 360 I think.  360 owners will buy it on PS3 and not buy a PS3, and multiplatform owners will buy it on PS3 (likely situations of course not set in stone).

I think Wii Sports 2 will still push huge hardware numbers it will help to bolster the wave created by Wii Sports by having more sports and by being a more in-depth game it is still a system seller even though the people who bought it for Wii Sports 1, the people who DIDN'T get it yet will be pushed FURTHER in the Wii direction by number 2.

I'm with you pretty well on Mario Galaxy, it's an iffy one for me, but if the game is right and simple enough to play yet rewarding if you are skilful then I think it's a mainstream game and will appeal to more than just the core Nintendo crowd (plus heaps of Nintendo people will be waiting for this game to buy Wii - there are still roughly 13million GC owners who don't have a Wii yet remember we need stuff to sell it to them).

I'll stand by my comments that SSBB wont hit US this year, it will come out in Japan... that is a clearer expectation, I think Feb or March next year for US, but definitely Japan



Sorry that my headings are slightly convoluted, I just copied and pasted other people's list and added my comments to them and decided to split them into different headings, perhaps I could have named the headings differently.

Consider the second list 'Other biggish future titles' or something.



auroragb said:
dallas said:

Imo Sony should

1. Offer free online content. Free downloads of PS1 games, like in a similar way that nintendo is doing for the wii. The thing of it is that these online games aren't going to be bringing in much $$$ at all. Gamers don't want to pay for old games, even $5. Why not just offer them free to increase the value of the PS3?

2. Make it mandatory that every PS3 game have online content, unless it would mess the game up ( FF13). Do whaever it is necessary to be the standard for online content.

3. Sponsor a discount for blu-ray players, so that it will win Europe.

4. Drop the price of the PS3 by $100.

Basically, point 1 is expensive, testing and hosting are not free. Also, if there are old games, why get new games? Also, they will look like crap on PS3, defeating the purpose of the HD power given to PS3

Point 2 will drive 3rd party away and increase cost of first party. Also, establishing look and feel consistancy for on-line is expensive

Point 3, PS3 is already the cheapest blue ray player on the market

Point 4, lose even more $$$ and piss off the early adopters (read as loyal customers)?

5. ???

6. profit!

 


First of all, Sony is already offering better deals than anyone on the VC.  MK2 is cheaper on PSN and offers online play and a leaderboard.  Home will be free.  Calling All Cars releases today I believe, and should be a fun game.

2.  I agree that most PS3 games should be online, and Sony should help developers with that.  Nintendo is preventing people from implementing online features right now, and Live is doing well at $50 a year. 

3.  The PS3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player.  You can get one for under $500 at amazon.  Granted, the PS3 is the best blu-ray out so far.

4.  I agree, the price should be dropped because people don't understand the value or are not willing to pay for the value at $600.  Remember, you get free online and easier hard drive upgrades. 



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gta will have exclusive downloadable stuff on the 360 version. the hardcore gta fans who buy it initially will be getting the 360 version.



tkjinak said:
gta will have exclusive downloadable stuff on the 360 version. the hardcore gta fans who buy it initially will be getting the 360 version.

 I could easily also have exclusive content for the PS3.



windbane said:
tkjinak said:
gta will have exclusive downloadable stuff on the 360 version. the hardcore gta fans who buy it initially will be getting the 360 version.

 I could easily also have exclusive content for the PS3.


It probably will. But that is not the real point. Real point is the 360 already has a large base by a significant amount and it is a cheaper system to buy. The ony reason that gta fans have been sony fans is because gta only came on sony. When it finally came to xbox, the ps2 had a huge lead in sales and gta was out for ps2 months prior to xbox. Now they will launch at the same time and the lower costing system will win out for the primary gta crowd.



I know that alot who got the Wii is because of the different way you play the games.  Unlike others, that doesn't appeal to me one iota.  I'm not loyal to just one brand of console, but I have enjoyed Sony games and systems far more than the others out there.  Lately I can't even find an excuse to play my 360 and it's just been gathering dust since the last time I played Tiger Woods on it a month ago.   In the meantime I've been logging more time on my PS2 playing various games.

 There are people out there who are like me and just waiting for a game to come out to buy the system.  Why be an early adopter if none of the games out currently truly interest me?  However, later this summer I plan on picking up a PS3 and have many friends who are planning on doing the same thing.  Their reason for not buying a PS3 yet, is because there is no "Must Have" game that appeals to them out yet, which is the same reason I have. 

 Sony won't fail and won't discontinue the PS3 for many years in the future as support for the system will increase over time.  To go and say "Ha ha" Sony's gonna lose when it's still in it's first year is rather arrogant and incorrect.  Sure the Wii is selling alot of systems right now, but I think once the novelty wears off the sales will dwindle and gamers will either go buy another system, or will do things other than play video games.  Attracting "Casual and Non-gamers" is a bad strategy to go after.  How many games do you think they will purchase?  How easily will they get burned out on the games and just end up not using it any longer?  You know that the hardcore gamers, aka those who love video games and will play them till they die, will buy tons of games and even buy more systems over time.  That is the crowd that really makes you the most money. You want a strong and loyal fanbase that will purchase 5-10 games a year, not those who buy 1-2 a year at the most.   Casual gamers and non-gamers don't just impulse buy a game like hardcore gamers do, and don't go out reading game reviews to see what cool new games are coming out in 6 months or 2 years from now.  

 Everyone on this forum are hardcore gamers and that is the reason we are here.  We are the types of consumers they really want to go after because we are the ones who will increase their profits and revenues.  That 80 year old woman who bought a wii for wii sports or whatever isn't going to be here on this forum and won't be buying many games therefore not being a consistent revenue maker for the company. 

 To myself I start to think that much of the hype of the wii is from the "Pokemon" generation of gamers that are older and are starting to earn a disposable income. (Just a joke, I'm having fun with this. :P ) I'm thinking that they may have corrupted and brain washed the followers to "buy a Wii, your friends will love you and you will be cool!".  There is nothing that really gets my attention from Nintendo.  Of all those "Must have" games that are coming out, how many involve Mario? Link? Donkey Kong? Samus from Metroid? I think at my last count it was around 80% of the games listed by another poster above. (It could be higher as the name may not have had "Mario" in the title like 40% of them.)  I grew up with those characters since I was a kid, and honestly, I'm tired of them.  Nintendo seems to be very good at manipulating the fans of Nintendo by saturating the market with rehashed games of ones they made 20+ years ago hoping that they are such big fans that they will buy every single game that has them involved. 

 For myself, there are several games that I am looking forward to playing on the PS3. I won't name them because everyone has repeated the titles names about a million times here.  The PS3 isn't dead, it's just waiting for the games to come out and bring the PS2 owners to the next generation by releasing the games that they have been waiting for.   I'd rather have my $600 sitting in a interest bearing savings account or a money market account instead of it sitting on my entertainment center waiting for the game I want to play on it to come out. 

 



 


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