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Well this wont really ever effect me, I rarely if ever buy used games and never rent.

How does this work for multiple users on the same system? Thats the only issue I can see having



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twesterm said:
Zkuq said:
Doobie_wop said:
Gaming isn't a cheap hobby, if you don't have the money then don't play games or get a damn job, otherwise just suck it up and accept that these businesses are trying to take the least harmful approach to make money on games they've developed and continue to support online.

Pisses me off sometimes, I live in Australia, the average price for a new game here is like $100, but despite being a student and only working part time I still have the money to buy games new. Even with the PS2 and Gamecube I would work and save up money to spend on my hobby, it isn't as hard as you think. Gaming is only expensive to the people that have no money, for everyone else it's fine.

You know, kids and students aren't exactly rich people but they want to play games. I'm pretty sure that if kids and students didn't play games, the industry would be in a much worse situation right now. And when people grow up, they'll usually have more money to spend on games.

I'm a student myself and I don't have enough money. I'd get a job if not for two things: 1) it'd either delay or hurt my studies (my schedule is quite full) and 2) I couldn't get a summer job despite trying.


That would make sense if we're talking about the difference between a $60 and $30 game, but we're talking a difference of $5.  If you're a student who can afford to 1) have a game console and 2) have the time to play the game console then $5 shouldn't break you.

If $5 would break you, you should probably have more concerns than playing a game.

It's a stupid and uninformed decision to buy from the likes of Gamestop. I can get games a lot cheaper on a local eBay-like online store. It's definitely not a $5 difference. Also, I got my PS3 before I started my studies and I don't really have enough time to play as much as I'd want so there goes your arguments. Besides, there's a limit to how little free time I can have. When I started my studies, I had to use almost all of my free time on studies and it's quite taxing. It got a bit easier but it still takes a lot of time.



Zkuq said:
twesterm said:
Zkuq said:
Doobie_wop said:
Gaming isn't a cheap hobby, if you don't have the money then don't play games or get a damn job, otherwise just suck it up and accept that these businesses are trying to take the least harmful approach to make money on games they've developed and continue to support online.

Pisses me off sometimes, I live in Australia, the average price for a new game here is like $100, but despite being a student and only working part time I still have the money to buy games new. Even with the PS2 and Gamecube I would work and save up money to spend on my hobby, it isn't as hard as you think. Gaming is only expensive to the people that have no money, for everyone else it's fine.

You know, kids and students aren't exactly rich people but they want to play games. I'm pretty sure that if kids and students didn't play games, the industry would be in a much worse situation right now. And when people grow up, they'll usually have more money to spend on games.

I'm a student myself and I don't have enough money. I'd get a job if not for two things: 1) it'd either delay or hurt my studies (my schedule is quite full) and 2) I couldn't get a summer job despite trying.


That would make sense if we're talking about the difference between a $60 and $30 game, but we're talking a difference of $5.  If you're a student who can afford to 1) have a game console and 2) have the time to play the game console then $5 shouldn't break you.

If $5 would break you, you should probably have more concerns than playing a game.

It's a stupid and uninformed decision to buy from the likes of Gamestop. I can get games a lot cheaper on a local eBay-like online store. It's definitely not a $5 difference. Also, I got my PS3 before I started my studies and I don't really have enough time to play as much as I'd want so there goes your arguments. Besides, there's a limit to how little free time I can have. When I started my studies, I had to use almost all of my free time on studies and it's quite taxing. It got a bit easier but it still takes a lot of time.


It is a $5 difference though, even if you buy from eBay or whatever.  It does not matter.

At worst, used will stay the same price everywhere and in that case you're out $5.  It doesn't matter that the game is $15 on eBay used and $55 at Gamestop used, you're only out what you have to spend to get the pass.

At best, used game prices will drop by about $5 in which case you really aren't any money because that money you save gets offset by the online pass.

And the fact that you say you have even less time to play games hurts your argument even more.  That means you should be buying less games so even if you did end up spending $5, that $5 should last you a long time, longer than most even.

Finally, you're already getting a game ridicusouly cheap.  You're seriously whining about not getting as ridicuously good deal as you use to? 



Man this is kinda stupid in my opinion but whatever. Though you never know those few thousand copies of a used game could be the difference from a small company falling short, breaking even or seeing small/big profit.



lol, excellent idea to convince people to make the switch to digital distribution. Not by making a DD game worth more, but by making retail games worth less.

What companies don't seem to realise is that for every buyer of a second hand game, there must be a seller.

If a company wants to make short or bad games, then the only way they can convince people to buy them is by making them cheap. They could of course lower the price, or, they could set up some variety of system by which you can get a partial refund when you have finished the game.

This will not end well for Sony.



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mysticwolf said:
since i just got my ps3, I am buying almost all my games used...
Will this PSN Pass be necessary for used games released before Resistance 3?


I don't think this system is retro-active (I don't really see a system to determine who is an original buyer of the older games, do you?) , meaning, that probably only Sony games that have it from the get go (like White Knight Chronicles 2 and soon Resistance 3) have PSN passes.



twesterm said:
Zkuq said:
twesterm said:
Zkuq said:
Doobie_wop said:
Gaming isn't a cheap hobby, if you don't have the money then don't play games or get a damn job, otherwise just suck it up and accept that these businesses are trying to take the least harmful approach to make money on games they've developed and continue to support online.

Pisses me off sometimes, I live in Australia, the average price for a new game here is like $100, but despite being a student and only working part time I still have the money to buy games new. Even with the PS2 and Gamecube I would work and save up money to spend on my hobby, it isn't as hard as you think. Gaming is only expensive to the people that have no money, for everyone else it's fine.

You know, kids and students aren't exactly rich people but they want to play games. I'm pretty sure that if kids and students didn't play games, the industry would be in a much worse situation right now. And when people grow up, they'll usually have more money to spend on games.

I'm a student myself and I don't have enough money. I'd get a job if not for two things: 1) it'd either delay or hurt my studies (my schedule is quite full) and 2) I couldn't get a summer job despite trying.


That would make sense if we're talking about the difference between a $60 and $30 game, but we're talking a difference of $5.  If you're a student who can afford to 1) have a game console and 2) have the time to play the game console then $5 shouldn't break you.

If $5 would break you, you should probably have more concerns than playing a game.

It's a stupid and uninformed decision to buy from the likes of Gamestop. I can get games a lot cheaper on a local eBay-like online store. It's definitely not a $5 difference. Also, I got my PS3 before I started my studies and I don't really have enough time to play as much as I'd want so there goes your arguments. Besides, there's a limit to how little free time I can have. When I started my studies, I had to use almost all of my free time on studies and it's quite taxing. It got a bit easier but it still takes a lot of time.


It is a $5 difference though, even if you buy from eBay or whatever.  It does not matter.

At worst, used will stay the same price everywhere and in that case you're out $5.  It doesn't matter that the game is $15 on eBay used and $55 at Gamestop used, you're only out what you have to spend to get the pass.

At best, used game prices will drop by about $5 in which case you really aren't any money because that money you save gets offset by the online pass.

And the fact that you say you have even less time to play games hurts your argument even more.  That means you should be buying less games so even if you did end up spending $5, that $5 should last you a long time, longer than most even.

Finally, you're already getting a game ridicusouly cheap.  You're seriously whining about not getting as ridicuously good deal as you use to? 

"You're only out what you have to spend to get the pass." You know, most commonly it seems to be $10, not $5. I don't think it's very little if we think about the price of the game.

Still, my problem with online pass isn't the price difference (though it will no doubt result in my loss anyway). It's the principle that the publisher can put artificial restrictions like this in their games. I feel it's pretty limiting. In fact, I don't even play online games that much, and much less on PS3, so it's definitely not my problem. I just despise the practice. If anything, it only serves to encourage to me buy used or even pirate because I certainly don't want to support such practice - or its practicers.

Why should I not complain about not getting as good a deal as I used to? Publishers are looking for ways to make even more money, from everything, so why shouldn't I be looking for ways to save money? It's not like they cared for me either so why should I care for them?



I think its a good idea to fight used sales.



 

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Zkuq said:

Publishers are looking for ways to make even more money, from everything, so why shouldn't I be looking for ways to save money? It's not like they cared for me either so why should I care for them?

because you like games and gaming and want them to develop more games you like maybe? well, maybe you don't 



Griffin said:

I laugh at all you who support this. This is only the start, just wait until they raise game prices $20 next gen and add this fee to play the single player game. Just look at DLC, it started off as a good idea to have extra content for the game you like. But no they rip content straight from the game and wait two months to charge you $15 for it, not only that but now they have DLC on the stores before the games even hit retail.

Whats that you have two kids and each with a PSN account, well thats too bad only one can play online. Whats that you want to play the game at a friends house, or give the game to a friend or family member to play. Thats too bad aswell give us another $10.

So now we have...

Game - $70
Day 1 DLC - $5
Content ripped from your game - $15
Oh whats that you want those extra maps that took them one week to make. - $45
Your brother wants to play on his account - $10

Enjoy your $145 games and remember how you wanted to support the devs as they spend 30Mil to make that game that just brought in 450million at retail.

this just so wrong on may levels....but i'll just comment on the development cost and retail thing. The game may have only cost 30M to develop but that doesn't mean its the only costs incurred.

theres manufacturing cost of the game disks - what did you think? the raw materials, labor, utilites, storage, etc are all free?

theres delivery costs - the game disks dont magically transport themselves to the DCs and to the retailers

retailers profit/cut - retailers also get their profits from there.

noticed why some some developers, even after having sold over a million copies still arent happy? thats because its not enough to cover all of the expenses and costs spent to develop, produce, market and sell the game