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steverhcp02 said:
thranx said:
steverhcp02 said:
One of the few cases where it really is a matter of opinion who is to blame. I personally feel he knew exactly what he was doing. Do i think he did it to pirate games? Nope. But i believe he knew releasing the homebrew would allow others so i feel him being talented enough to homebrew, he should have exercised responsibility knowing what his release would allow people to do. Or been far more clear and concise on his stance on being against pirated games, urging and even pulling the homebrew instructions once it got out that it was happening. He straddled a fine line and because of that i think he knew exactly what his actions were and by that time the battle lines were drawn so he chose the pirates vs sony in his stance (as evident by his rap)

Hes still a young kid, he made some mistakes handling his talents, hopefully now that he works for one of the biggest corporations on earth and hes doing something with a boss and such his talent can be utilized in a much more productive way.


You do know he made it so his firmware did not allow piracy right? Other hackers altered his firmware or created their own. So again how is he at fault for others crimes? if you are going to blame him for supplying tools you better start bblaming sony and pc makers for also supplying the same tools.

I didnt say it was his fault. If you would stop and read my post before going on your tirade against anyone who posts an opinion opposite of yours you would have seen that I said i dont think his intent was to pirate games. I simply said i feel like he knew once his homebrew hit it would be CAPABLE of pirating games, at that point i feel he could have taken a stance more rigidly and even pulled access to it or addressed it sincerely in his blog once he found people doing it.

Take a deep breath and stop with the insane analogies. Its like youre part of the inquisition or something. Im allowed to personally find someone annoying/distateful/insincere which is all my post staed. never did i even use the word BLAME or GUILTY or FAULT. I simply said i can tell a punk from a mile away, this kids a punk. Its easy to see, hes young is talented and had a chip on his shoulder. Not a big deal. Most kids are punks, especially on the internet...on forums...like these.......

He did all of that. So what are you talking about than. I did read your post all of it. I didn't even post a triad response to you I posted the facts that you were missing, that he already did what you wanted him to do.



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thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.



thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Also I never said he stole anything, my metaphor was clear he took what the store owed him and had promised him. However in doing so he broke Sony's security allowing others to steal from Sony. He provided the hack and essentially broke Sony's security system.

There;s no way to spin it , any way you look at it Geo is not 100% innocent.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Joelcool7 said:

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Here's a brick. If you throw it at your neighbour's window, you can break it.

I hope you don't do anything illegal with that piece of info I just gave you.



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Galaki said:
Joelcool7 said:

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Here's a brick. If you throw it at your neighbour's window, you can break it.

I hope you don't do anything illegal with that piece of info I just gave you.


Almost right on except its more like

You see a man trying to break into a house, then you say "Here's a brick if you throw it at the window you can break it"

Or at the 2011 Vancouver riots "Here's a brick. If you throw it at your neighbour's window, you can break it.".

He knew that the person was going to throw the brick through the window if he provided it!



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Joelcool7 said:
Galaki said:
Joelcool7 said:

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Here's a brick. If you throw it at your neighbour's window, you can break it.

I hope you don't do anything illegal with that piece of info I just gave you.


Almost right on except its more like

You see a man trying to break into a house, then you say "Here's a brick if you throw it at the window you can break it"

Or at the 2011 Vancouver riots "Here's a brick. If you throw it at your neighbour's window, you can break it.".

He knew that the person was going to throw the brick through the window if he provided it!

Just as long as nobody tell him he could just pick up random debris and throw at the said window.



Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Also I never said he stole anything, my metaphor was clear he took what the store owed him and had promised him. However in doing so he broke Sony's security allowing others to steal from Sony. He provided the hack and essentially broke Sony's security system.

There;s no way to spin it , any way you look at it Geo is not 100% innocent.

He disabled piracy as well as he could in his firmware. What do you expect him to do? If sony cant protect its sytems against hackers how is geohot supposed too? Have you read up on the specifics of this whole incident? The firmware he released specificaly did not allow piracy. He is anti piracy. All he did was tell others how to get homebrew going on their own ps3s. He did not hack the psn or any games or any one elses ps3.  He took nothing. He created something, you act as if he took something out of the ps3. He created a a program that adjust the firmware on the ps3. There is no store analogy just look at the facts as is. There is no moral dilema here. He midified something he owned that affected no one else. All the piracy and psn hacks were done by others people should focus on and complain about them. Not somebody who only did what was in his rights of woning that equiptment. Stop trying to spread the blame to him. If you go down that route than you must blame Sony and anyone who makes any tool that is remotely related to hacking, you can't just decide to only blame one of the tool makers can you? How is that fair? Best just to blame those with direct involvement. This is probably why sony settled, they realoised he did no wrong and they could find nothing wrong he did. I have yet to find any case where it is illegal or wrong to hack your own equiptment, I tried I really did. There just is no case out there.



thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Also I never said he stole anything, my metaphor was clear he took what the store owed him and had promised him. However in doing so he broke Sony's security allowing others to steal from Sony. He provided the hack and essentially broke Sony's security system.

There;s no way to spin it , any way you look at it Geo is not 100% innocent.

He disabled piracy as well as he could in his firmware. What do you expect him to do? If sony cant protect its sytems against hackers how is geohot supposed too? Have you read up on the specifics of this whole incident? The firmware he released specificaly did not allow piracy. He is anti piracy. All he did was tell others how to get homebrew going on their own ps3s. He did not hack the psn or any games or any one elses ps3.  He took nothing. He created something, you act as if he took something out of the ps3. He created a a program that adjust the firmware on the ps3. There is no store analogy just look at the facts as is. There is no moral dilema here. He midified something he owned that affected no one else. All the piracy and psn hacks were done by others people should focus on and complain about them. Not somebody who only did what was in his rights of woning that equiptment. Stop trying to spread the blame to him. If you go down that route than you must blame Sony and anyone who makes any tool that is remotely related to hacking, you can't just decide to only blame one of the tool makers can you? How is that fair? Best just to blame those with direct involvement. This is probably why sony settled, they realoised he did no wrong and they could find nothing wrong he did. I have yet to find any case where it is illegal or wrong to hack your own equiptment, I tried I really did. There just is no case out there.


without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened? if not how the hell is he not to blame? the point at the end of the day no matter how much dancing around you do is that this all happened because he did not keep his hacks and thereby the results of his hacks to himself here he even apologises to the ps community for his bs :

http://gamercrave.com/ps3-hacker-geohot-on-lost-linux-support-im-sorry/2349/

 

an extract from that site :

"Sony has only pinned the change on “security concerns,” but hacker George “Geohot” Hotz, who released the first-ever PS3 hack earlier this year (preceded by several high-profile iPhone jailbreaks), which could ultimately allow piracy or other nefarious uses of the consoles, believes he played a role:

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support" 

 

you said some nonsense in your post about "He midified something he owned that affected no one else." <--- that is wrong if his actions affected no one else then we wouldn't be talking about him would we? quote from the article above "Before releasing" thats what this is about... him releasing hacks that then affect all of the users of psn and ps3s in general 



he wouldn't last as that is not his way of life

changing your lifestyle is not an easy job

he will be like bill gates and make his own thing