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famousringo said:

1. That's actually a mark against WP7. MS doesn't need Nokia for its platform to succeed. What happens if Nokia hooks up to the WP7 train, but Samsung undercuts them on price and becomes the premiere manufacturer? How long will the special treatment last in that scenario? WP7 isn't turning the market on its head without Nokia. If it can transform the market with Nokia's help, why can't Nokia do it on their own?

2. Last I looked, the Ovi Store is still pretty far ahead of WP7 in app sales, and I could be mistaken, but I think MeeGo fully supports it. In fact, the last I saw, Ovi was actually larger than the Android market:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/21/861-5-percent-growth-android-puny/

This is a few months old, and WP7 was too young to get good data on, but I've heard no reason to believe that WP7's ecosystem is more vibrant than any of the app markets listed in that article. I'm also not convinced that Microsoft is a bigger name in cell phones than Nokia.

3. That's a reason to choose WP7 over Android, but it's not a reason to choose WP7 over MeeGo, which Nokia has even more freedom to modify than WP7.

There's room for disagreement here, but as far as I'm conerned, Nokia without its own software is a lot like Sega without its own hardware. It's dancing to somebody else's tune, and for somebody else's gain. There's no question that Nokia needed to do something to escape their downward spiral, but if MeeGo really is as good as it looks, I'm not convinced that wedding themselves to Microsoft was the best answer.

Just to be clear, while I do think there are some valid reasons for choosing WP7, if MeeGo is as good as it looks to be, then I probably would have given MeeGo a much higher priority. Anyway,

1) I agree that it gives Nokia more competition, for better or worse, but I think there are other substantial factors that makes it a good choice rather than a bad one.

First of all, the burden of making and keeping the eco system successful is not Nokia's alone (from a manufacturer standpoint), because you have several other manufacturers interested in seeing WP7 succeed. If WP7 is successful, manufacturers are given more choice between smartphone OSs, because Android will recieve good competition.

Had they chosen to support MeeGo instead, then that could have been the one they were all betting on this year, but it's not.

Secondly, Nokia has a small presence in the US, and having other manufacturers who stand stronger in that market will benefit the eco system, while increasing awareness of WP7, something that might help Nokia gain marketshare in the US if they can produce some good and unique phones.

2) I believe you're correct that MeeGo can run legacy apps, but we don't know how this will be handled. I can't quite tell if your data includes ad revenue though, but it seems to me that it doesn't. I do think the picture looks different if you take ad revenue into account, but the best data I can find only uses one ad network. However, in this data (from may), iOS and Android are evenly matched on revenue with very little to difference between WP7 and Symbian. In ad impressions however, Symbian holds a 2% marketshare against WP7's 1%, which is hardly anything to brag about, but WP7 did have a 92% growth month over month between april and may.

Nokia has also said that their partnership with Microsoft allows them much greater entry into mobile ads, so maybe the developer support isn't such a big reason as opposed to increased ad revenue, which could tie into all WP7 handsets and not just Nokia's own.

EDIT: And in response to the marketing, I agree that Nokia probably has a bigger brand in the mobile space in general, but they're never really associated with smartphones. While Windows isn't the biggest brand in smartphones either, I'd say it's bigger than Nokia's, especially for enterprise smartphones.

3) Agreed, but the deal with Microsoft gives several other advantages that apparently give WP7 an edge of MeeGo in Nokia's eyes.



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@ Rainbird

Regarding p.2, I don't see why QT applications (which currently keep Ovi Store as #2 app store behind Apple) shouldn't work on N9. QT and all its favours are there on the device, so no problem with that. Also, there is already Myriad Alien Dalvick which basically is wrapper for Android apps you want to run on MeeGo. And applications from WebOS were also accessible on N900 for quite long, it shouldn't be different story with N9. Even MIDP is supported, unlike pain of converting it into APK in Google case. Though I'd prefer QT apps, naturally.

Anyways, the device seem coming pretty much pre-loaded: navigation is included, multimedia is on board (including support even for FLAC), integration with skype/fb/twitter is one of core features.

Ok, let me think for a while what to complain about... :D
Well... If only Loop application from Ovi is working on N9 from the beginning, the device will be day one buy for me :D



MDMAniac said:

@ Rainbird

Regarding p.2, I don't see why QT applications (which currently keep Ovi Store as #2 app store behind Apple) shouldn't work on N9. QT and all its favours are there on the device, so no problem with that. Also, there is already Myriad Alien Dalvick which basically is wrapper for Android apps you want to run on MeeGo. And applications from WebOS were also accessible on N900 for quite long, it shouldn't be different story with N9. Even MIDP is supported, unlike pain of converting it into APK in Google case. Though I'd prefer QT apps, naturally.

We still don't know how this will be handled though. And in my previous post, I did speculate that developer support probably wasn't such a big reason anyway, but that mobile ads were, so we probably agree about the dev support.

And the N9 does seem nice, but I haven't seen anything that really brings it forward compared to the competition.



I want a Nokia phone, but I don't want a Windows Phone 7 phone (because that operating system looks rather average to me) and I don't want a phone that has an operating system that is on the verge of being abandoned. So despite wanting a Nokia smartphone I can't really get one =/.



Rath said:
I want a Nokia phone, but I don't want a Windows Phone 7 phone (because that operating system looks rather average to me) and I don't want a phone that has an operating system that is on the verge of being abandoned. So despite wanting a Nokia smartphone I can't really get one =/.

What do you think looks average about WP7 though? Maybe it's better than you think. 



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Rainbird said:
Rath said:
I want a Nokia phone, but I don't want a Windows Phone 7 phone (because that operating system looks rather average to me) and I don't want a phone that has an operating system that is on the verge of being abandoned. So despite wanting a Nokia smartphone I can't really get one =/.

What do you think looks average about WP7 though? Maybe it's better than you think. 

I don't think it's average. It's becoming an iOS with a different skin.

I am pretty impressed with MeeGo and I am saddened nokia will not support it any further.



Rainbird said:
Rath said:
I want a Nokia phone, but I don't want a Windows Phone 7 phone (because that operating system looks rather average to me) and I don't want a phone that has an operating system that is on the verge of being abandoned. So despite wanting a Nokia smartphone I can't really get one =/.

What do you think looks average about WP7 though? Maybe it's better than you think. 


From the reviews I've read it's just not as complete as iOS/Android. Also it focuses (somewhat understandably) on Bing, which is a search engine I can't stand as it never seems to give me the droids results I'm looking for.



Rath said:
Rainbird said:
Rath said:
I want a Nokia phone, but I don't want a Windows Phone 7 phone (because that operating system looks rather average to me) and I don't want a phone that has an operating system that is on the verge of being abandoned. So despite wanting a Nokia smartphone I can't really get one =/.

What do you think looks average about WP7 though? Maybe it's better than you think. 


From the reviews I've read it's just not as complete as iOS/Android. Also it focuses (somewhat understandably) on Bing, which is a search engine I can't stand as it never seems to give me the droids results I'm looking for.

It isn't complete. However, Mango update is on the way and they've already released a porting "machine" that facilitates poritng iOS apps to WP7. We are basically gonna have 2 almost identical options in the market very soon.

A question, will MeeGo be released on devices made by HTC , Samsung and SE in the future? or is it forever exclusive to Nokia?



Rath said:
Rainbird said:
Rath said:
I want a Nokia phone, but I don't want a Windows Phone 7 phone (because that operating system looks rather average to me) and I don't want a phone that has an operating system that is on the verge of being abandoned. So despite wanting a Nokia smartphone I can't really get one =/.

What do you think looks average about WP7 though? Maybe it's better than you think. 

From the reviews I've read it's just not as complete as iOS/Android. Also it focuses (somewhat understandably) on Bing, which is a search engine I can't stand as it never seems to give me the droids results I'm looking for.

Well, Nokia will be using the next version of WP7, which was recently reviewed by the press (it's not out until some time in the fall, so there are still bugs and features not ready for primetime, but there was still enough to put out thorough enough reviews). You can see them here if you like, but the conclusion is fairly uniform in that the Mango update is huge, and WP7 finally feels complete with it.

As for Bing, I can't really say much other than the WP7 implementation has been upped. Here's an overview of what it does now:



sad.man.loves.vgc said:

A question, will MeeGo be released on devices made by HTC , Samsung and SE in the future? or is it forever exclusive to Nokia?

MeeGo is open source and can be used by anyone, including all those guys. But none of them have talked about doing a phone with MeeGo, so I wouldn't expect anything from them in the near future at least.