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Final-Fan on 06 July 2011
Hephaestos said:
Final-Fan said:
@ hephaestos: I see sabby as being associated with ST, per LInkz's argument. Therefore there is no reason for me to want to switch a bunch of people from one to the other.

However, ST does seem to be putting in a pretty good defense. He could just be mafia doing his best, of course, but there's also the point someone (TOS?) made that it would be devastating if hat and Linkz are both mafia and we let them both live.

I really don't see any chances for a vote of someone other than ST or Linkzmax. I will consider switching, but not right now, because I have to go and I don't want to do a snap decision.

see my biggest beef about you right now is that all you do is refer to other's words.
Your play is utterly unproductive, you just parrot and add semi conclusions.

Tell you what, why don't you make up your damned mind about why you're voting me and then get back to me. 

I'm not allowed to agree with other people's arguments now?  It's not as if you have a basis for the claim that I'm not making my own observations and contributions and drawing my own conclusions. 



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Final-Fan on 06 July 2011

I hesitate to do the Linkzmax vote even though there is a cop claim. I feel good about the ST vote, although if it could be switched to sabby that might be better, since in the case that we're wrong we'd lose a less active member.

Even though the discussion is making some progress, this day just seems interminable. Sigh.

... Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm perplexed by Hephaestos. "Some people have voiced incertitude on ST... so your argument is "we can also lynch linkz/hat"..." What gives you the idea that that comment in the votals was an argument? What would I even be arguing? Were you claiming I jumped from one bandwagon to the other? You are just senselessly attacking me IMO.



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radishhead on 06 July 2011

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Silver-Tiger on 06 July 2011
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Stupid work is getting in the way of Mafia! Grrr!

I've come to the conclusion that not following the advice of a claimed cop just doesn't make sense. Linkz is very good at putting doubt in our minds with reasons the could explain the situation but frankly that's the only thing scum can do to defend against a guilty reading.

Vote: Linkzmax

Why doesn't it make sense? If I were scum then I'd almost certainly still be here tomorrow to be lynched. As I already said, there's most likely protection to cover hat, so he won't be killed; however, if he were killed then a flip of cop would get me lynched all the same. We're not at mylo/lylo, so do some actual scumhunting instead of playing follow the cop.

And I can't make it clear enough that I do believe hat is town. I've already experienced a town investigation role getting my alignment wrong for whatever reason and the consequences afterward. In the event that you guys do lynch me today, I do not want a repeat of that.

Ok, you really need zo explain to me how you can believe Hatmoza so easily. If you know you're town, and he's claiming you're scum. why on earth are even defending him? I do believe Hatmoza's claim,too, but for other reasons. I want to hear your opinion.

 

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FoS Vetteman

FoS Sabby

The amount of lurking is ridiculous.



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TruckOSaurus on 06 July 2011
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Stupid work is getting in the way of Mafia! Grrr!

I've come to the conclusion that not following the advice of a claimed cop just doesn't make sense. Linkz is very good at putting doubt in our minds with reasons the could explain the situation but frankly that's the only thing scum can do to defend against a guilty reading.

Vote: Linkzmax

Why doesn't it make sense? If I were scum then I'd almost certainly still be here tomorrow to be lynched. As I already said, there's most likely protection to cover hat, so he won't be killed; however, if he were killed then a flip of cop would get me lynched all the same. We're not at mylo/lylo, so do some actual scumhunting instead of playing follow the cop.

And I can't make it clear enough that I do believe hat is town. I've already experienced a town investigation role getting my alignment wrong for whatever reason and the consequences afterward. In the event that you guys do lynch me today, I do not want a repeat of that.

I'm more comfident of you than of Hat tbh. I still don't like the idea of a full fledged cop in this round. That and I also don't see what IoI has to do with cop.

ioi has access to the site's database therefore he can go through our messages to see if we're scum or not. It's not that farfetched.



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TruckOSaurus on 06 July 2011
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Stupid work is getting in the way of Mafia! Grrr!

I've come to the conclusion that not following the advice of a claimed cop just doesn't make sense. Linkz is very good at putting doubt in our minds with reasons the could explain the situation but frankly that's the only thing scum can do to defend against a guilty reading.

Vote: Linkzmax

Why doesn't it make sense? If I were scum then I'd almost certainly still be here tomorrow to be lynched. As I already said, there's most likely protection to cover hat, so he won't be killed; however, if he were killed then a flip of cop would get me lynched all the same. We're not at mylo/lylo, so do some actual scumhunting instead of playing follow the cop.

And I can't make it clear enough that I do believe hat is town. I've already experienced a town investigation role getting my alignment wrong for whatever reason and the consequences afterward. In the event that you guys do lynch me today, I do not want a repeat of that.

For someone pretending to be town you sure have a lot a certainties about who's town, first me then hat.

Truth is I don't know if hatmoza is really town but it's the most probable option to me with the information we have.

You said that if you were scum, you'd still be there to get lynched tomorrow but what if you have an extra power that you can use tonight? We'd look pretty stupid letting you live because we thought we could afford to put if off for a day.



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Hephaestos on 06 July 2011
Final-Fan said:
 "Some people have voiced incertitude on ST... so your argument is "we can also lynch linkz/hat"..." What gives you the idea that that comment in the votals was an argument? What would I even be arguing? Were you claiming I jumped from one bandwagon to the other? You are just senselessly attacking me IMO.

argument is indeed not the proper word... counterproposal is more fitting. My point was that you were presenting the case as if these 2 choices were the only ones.

and yes i'm trying different angles to attack you because I don't like the vibe from you, and if you are scum then i'm bound to find an angle at one point.



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Hephaestos on 06 July 2011
Final-Fan said:
I hesitate to do the Linkzmax vote even though there is a cop claim. I feel good about the ST vote, although if it could be switched to sabby that might be better, since in the case that we're wrong we'd lose a less active member.


great, support the idea once I changed my vote...



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Vetteman94 on 06 July 2011
hatmoza said:
As for my FoS's

I'm honestly not too sure anymore about sabby but I'm still leaning towards scum. His absence doesn't come off as "I'm too busy to play" more like, "I want to have a presence in the game so I'll post far and between."

Vette is usually on my ass every game I play with him. Since he hasn't touched my ass so far this game (I think) I find that suspicious.

I also don't like how Heph came forward to speak on my behalf earlier this day. Maybe he's town who trusts me. Anyone who defends me has my trust. I'm naive enough to overlook the possibility of people being scum when they're nice to me.

Well I only get on your ass every game cause in most you do something outlandish to throw off the balance of the game early.  Like Roleclaiming a power role on Day 1 thats important to the town just to save your own ass.  You normally have a selfish attitude in these games but I have not sensed that from you in this game.  Although a little of it showed with your direct accusation towards Linkz.



Vetteman94 on 06 July 2011
Silver-Tiger said:


Because, although you were commenting way less, you were participating in the general discussion. You didn't chicken out like Baalza or Vette.

Which he doing again at this moment. Where the f*ck are you? If you can't comment , at least leave a comment to apologize.

I am going to assume this comment was directed at me.  I am an American,  it was Fourth of July weekend. I shouldnt need to say more nor will I apologize for my absense.