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Wasn't available because I went over for a sleepover to my cousin's house for 4 days since his internet went bust. I was online yesterday by checking on my phone but couldn't post.

Also Hephaestos, why do you think I'm Mafia? Fyi, I didn't "want" Radish to kill someone, but said it would be interesting if he did and realised it was a premature statement. I didn't think Radish was Mafia nor did I jump on the bandwagon unlike some. But then again he did have it coming for acting incredibly stupid.

Also would like to know why Linkz think I'm a certain Mafia.




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Linkzmax said:
Silver-Tiger said:

Which part of my comments left you with a scum vibe?

Besides what I perceived to be slip:

1.)You FoSed TOS for 'bandwagoning' without doing the same for Heph, who by his own admission was pretty much just like TOS.(And wouldn't you know Sabby did the same thing)

2.)While there was a decent amount of discussion going on and you were a fair contender for getting lynched, you point to Baal and Sabby as being suspicious. Especially now that Baal has flipped town, it feels like trying to redirect town's focus.

3.)You took the 'safe and easy' No Lynch route, and your explanation for waiting doesn't feel genuine. If you wanted to vote a day earlier, then you should have. Unless you were going to hide afterwards like you accused Baal of doing, then there's nothing that would have stopped you from commenting or voting differently if "something meaningful" came up.

4.)You felt the need to say absolutely nothing after radish was chastised for it.

With the reread and more thinking on your hesitation to vote radish, the thing that stands out most is:

radishhead said:

 Of the people that have voted me, I may have to choose one of you to prove my loyalty to the town.

5.)Now my belief is you hesitated to vote because you wanted radish to kill one or more of the people voting him. I would guess there was at most 1 mafia on that lynch before hat hammered, which would give you good odds of a townie being killed and radish still being lynched as a consequence. I'll admit that my reasoning is somewhat circular since I also believe sabby is scum and so this theory would fit perfectly, but even if it were 2 mafia and 4 townies on the lynch it's still more likely than not that an extra townie would die.

6.)Finally, http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4126238 and http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4126375 are so horrible. First, what is "My analysis was based on the fact that it is important to me has such behaviour, although it doesn't matter yet for me." supposed to mean? Next, Baal being dead only proves your point if Baal was chosen for being quiet and being a probable power role, and not because Baal was unlikely to be protected or watched as TOS pointed out, which you could only know if you were mafia. Then you bring me up, which I'm assuming is trying to buddy up to me as a means of convincing me I've got the wrong read. Fat chance, I'd say you're hoping that post will be used against me down the line. Lastly, there seems to be way too much repetition that the "opinions" seem forced.


Finally caught up.

1.) Sure, I did notice Heph's bandwagon, but was there any need to point it out again? He admitted to it.

And Sabby joining the bandwagon is simply not true. He even FoSed Hatmoza himself.

2.) Both have been very quiet, should I just let that slip if I notice that? That's not redirecting town's focus, it's keeping an eye on everyone.

3.) Absolutely correct, there's nothing that could have stopped from voting or commenting differently, votals can be changed after all, so I don't see your point here? I do believe it's better to end day 1 with a No lynch before we have concrete information on somebody, so my standard stand on day one is usually No lynch. You see what happened to Radish. If my vote already stands on No lynch, we don't have to wait so long to end the day. The extra day was for the case that FF  offered us with meaningful information, but nothing worthy of note happened so I decided to vote No lynch then.

4.) I was not lying back then. Do you want to accuse me now because I went to bed? I simply did not have a scum vibe on radish, although his comments to end were...weird to say the least. i do wanted to hear at least a nameclaim from him, but he was lynched before he could even answer.

5.) We didn't know what powers his role had, let alone if it was a killing role. Also, see last sentence of 4.

6.) What's horrible about my opinion? Also Linkz, I expected you would understand a hint when you see it. It doesn't matter for me yet. I have to see who's keeping quiet. And no, I'm not the Cop.



updated: 14.01.2012

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theprof00 said:
Silver-Tiger said:
just saw Linkz and prof already addressed that, but I wanted that to react to that as quickly as possible.


so you simply accept my answer?

Wow, you were sure quick to call it a scum tell, and didn't even wait for a specific reply to quash it.

I never stated that I accepted your answer. I am reading all your comments at least twice to notice possible slips.

 

theprof00 said:

 

Why am I not on that list?

I feel like you're just repeating someone else's words.

Because, although you were commenting way less, you were participating in the general discussion. You didn't chicken out like Baalza or Vette.

Which he doing again at this moment. Where the f*ck are you? If you can't comment , at least leave a comment to apologize.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

sabby_e17 said:
Wasn't available because I went over for a sleepover to my cousin's house for 4 days since his internet went bust. I was online yesterday by checking on my phone but couldn't post.

Also Hephaestos, why do you think I'm Mafia? Fyi, I didn't "want" Radish to kill someone, but said it would be interesting if he did and realised it was a premature statement. I didn't think Radish was Mafia nor did I jump on the bandwagon unlike some. But then again he did have it coming for acting incredibly stupid.

Also would like to know why Linkz think I'm a certain Mafia.

well this game is rather on the slow side, and there aren't many longposts to make people fear reading it, so it's easy to assume that people that just don't seem to mind the game much (as in not being there for 4 days) are probably just trying to lay low... Though in your defence, I did check and you did not post elsewhere, so the absence part of my suspicion can be considered as cleared.

There still remains your taunt to radish in order to have him kill someone... even if you say it was a premature statement ( do you mean "well thought out"?) this doesn't change the fact that if he did have a day kill ability, you basically asked him to use it... out of the comfort of not voting him and thus not being a target. The worst part is that if you did believe him to be town, you were pushing for a blink kill, not for him to prove his powers, and blind kills have what? 70%+ chance of killing town...

But the real reason I'm suspicious about you is these other posts you made after... they clearly show that your realisation that it was premature came from Vette's comments on them... You're not new to mafia, you don't have the "i'm not used to it so I say everything that comes to mind" excuse. Heck you're even the cautious type if I recall.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4123152

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4123151



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Unless I'm mistaken, there is no change in the vote situation:

(L-3) Silver-Tiger: Linkzmax, TruckOSaurus, Final-Fan
(L-5) Linkzmax: hatmoza
(L-5) Sabby: Hephaestos

(T-5) countdown: hephaestos

This is how is went, by my count:
hatmoza: Linkz
Linkz: ST
TOS: ST
FF: ST
Heph: Sabby
Heph: time (diff. post)

THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT VOTED:
VETTEMAN94
THEPROF00
SABBY_E17
A BAD CLOWN

WHY THE HELL NOT?

Honestly, we have Silver-Tiger on the one hand, and Linkzmax/hatmoza on the other. I don't know what you guys are waiting for before you take a stand. Can you tell us?

Please do correct any mistakes I made in the votes to date.



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Final-Fan said:
Unless I'm mistaken, there is no change in the vote situation:

(L-3) Silver-Tiger: Linkzmax, TruckOSaurus, Final-Fan
(L-5) Linkzmax: hatmoza
(L-5) Sabby: Hephaestos

(T-5) countdown: hephaestos

This is how is went, by my count:
hatmoza: Linkz
Linkz: ST
TOS: ST
FF: ST
Heph: Sabby
Heph: time (diff. post)

THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT VOTED:
VETTEMAN94
THEPROF00
SABBY_E17
A BAD CLOWN

WHY THE HELL NOT?

Honestly, we have Silver-Tiger on the one hand, and Linkzmax/hatmoza on the other. I don't know what you guys are waiting for before you take a stand. Can you tell us?

Please do correct any mistakes I made in the votes to date.

ok

Unvote

Vote: FF


I'll resume my day one activity then.

Some people have voiced incertitude on ST... so your argument is "we can also lynch linkz/hat"...

Oh and I do note that you excluded sabby from this.



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Stupid work is getting in the way of Mafia! Grrr!

I've come to the conclusion that not following the advice of a claimed cop just doesn't make sense. Linkz is very good at putting doubt in our minds with reasons the could explain the situation but frankly that's the only thing scum can do to defend against a guilty reading.

Vote: Linkzmax



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Final-Fan said:
Unless I'm mistaken, there is no change in the vote situation:

(L-3) Silver-Tiger: Linkzmax, TruckOSaurus, Final-Fan
(L-5) Linkzmax: hatmoza
(L-5) Sabby: Hephaestos

(T-5) countdown: hephaestos

This is how is went, by my count:
hatmoza: Linkz
Linkz: ST
TOS: ST
FF: ST
Heph: Sabby
Heph: time (diff. post)

THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT VOTED:
VETTEMAN94
THEPROF00
SABBY_E17
A BAD CLOWN

WHY THE HELL NOT?

Honestly, we have Silver-Tiger on the one hand, and Linkzmax/hatmoza on the other. I don't know what you guys are waiting for before you take a stand. Can you tell us?

Please do correct any mistakes I made in the votes to date.

I'm pretty sure I voted ST, but if not
vote: silver tiger



theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
hatmoza said:
:/

...:/

I need to play with smarter people who are able to read between the lines to keep me interested in commenting.

Where is prof? Flirt with me baby!

you do raise a good point here. Where is prof?

well, the most interesting thing so far has been miracles.

Anyway, hatmoza sounds like chris brown, or whatever that dudes name is that beats rihanna. Let's see, gow said we need to kill his bitches. Is chris brown a bitch? I dunno. I don't follow pop culture all that much.

After heph and Hatmoza called you out, you suddenly surfaced again.

theprof00 said:

why would we want to lynch the sk if the psych appeared?

hesitation in lynching the SK, even though he is a very dangerous role. interesting...

 

theprof00 said:
im willing to put my vote to st

unvote
vote st

bandwagoning in it's finest, after Linkz accused me because of a stupid joke I made. (which he is doing again at the moment, but I come to that later)

Where's your reasoning, where's anything in your comment?

theprof00 said:

I think Hatmoza is trying to start a quick lynch based on some pretty superficial evidence.
I also think my character is interesting, and it does fit with the "company" theme.
If anything, I think we should all be wary of people bringing up companies (in fact, my character gets fucked by one).
It's possible that name =/= alignment, even should be figure out the ties. I don't think gow who knowingly make the claims so easy. But, then again, it's also possible that he gave the mafia safe name claims, like linkz did in his round.
Not sure how much I can add.

It's also kinda dumb for Hat to try a train on someone so early in the game, but it's also kinda his strategy.

I'll just FoS him for now, though I'd rather vote for him. It doesn't look likely that he'll be voted today though, and I myself am willing to give him some time.

FoS Hatmoza

I assume he knows mafia can be identified by alignments, to make a safe claim later on. "Hey, all other mafia members were also Sony devs, but since alignment =/= name, don't lynch me!"

theprof00 said:

See, I think I'm being subtle, but you read it pretty much exact. I was hoping you'd figure it out, but not hoping that you'd spill the beans.

unFoS hatmoza

I did get that parroting by ST though. He pretty much said exactly what I did, and even FoSed too. What it means, I'm not sure, but it guarantees it wasn't a total waste.

Also interesting timing that you said this after ST made his post.

 

nice to see you two getting along so good, and should quoted again if either you or Hatmoza flip mafia.

theprof00 said:
Also, Hat's comments on FF are pretty bad. I've never seen a mafia caught for noob mistakes, especially not a player of FF's repute.

Noob mistakes as evidence, in my experience, always are the result of misinterpretation. 

That's not true. Noob mistakes have brought down many scum players already. In fact, I think it's the main evidence to find them.  And for the record, I already know hatmoza and you addressed that, but too important to let it out.

And then there was your lying disaster:

theprof00 said:
Now, Hat, earlier when I made my dumb reasoning, it was because I anticipated that you were town and had hit a mafia. By turning on you, I was hoping to create easy revenge vote environment.
ST used my exact reasoning, even using the same word "superficial" to put a vote on you. I would think that if anyone were mafia, it'd be him

Silver-Tiger said:

nonsense. Never did I use the word "superficial" nor did I put a vote on Hat. Are you intentionally lying to make me look bad? Because that's what I would call sure scum tell.

HoS theprof

WTF was that?

 

theprof00 said:
wow.
Just read everything....

so gow decided to reuse the stump role? And give it to radish? What was he thinking? What was radish thinking?
And,...what were you all thinking?
HoS Hatmoza for claiming to be drunk right after his hammer.
FoS everyone else on that vote.

(Though I'm happy Radish is out. Sorry Radish. You actually are a huge distraction)
You felt no need to comment to radish's situation while he was being lynched? Why? You FoSed everyone who voted for him, yet you didn't defend or at least voiced hesitation. I'll admit, I'm guilty of this myself, although in my defense I was sleeping and went to work without checking the thread the next day.

 

Silver-Tiger said:
OK, I doubt I can do anything to blow away your suspicions, but I would really like to know why you're so suspicious of me. From what I've got, the reason is because I made that joke about a SK. If you found it weird that this was the first thing that came to my mind, so be it, but that was really the first thing I could think of. It's day one and we can't draw any conclusions yet, because we have no confirmed nor revealed roles yet.

theprof00 said:

This post came up oddly as he and heph were talking about hat's "behavioral reasoning" on FF.
ST feels the need to question Linkz' desire to lynch, despite having previously fairly ignored the vote. Hat's behavioral reasoning used the "ignoring the vote" tell. With Hats theory being fresh in his mind, did ST question the suspicion to avoid the tell?

Again, not true, I asked Linkz before why he is so suspicious of me. He voted for me on day one, and here is the post where I asked him to explain it to me.

 

theprof00 said:

can we just vote st and get on with this?


I see you urgently want to reach the next night. Want to execute your next target, eh? Also, this post sounds as if you don't care who is lynched, be it town or not.

 

theprof00 said:

I was thinking blacksaber, you said you did the assraping, which kind of threw me off.

Anyway, I want to get back to your tangle with Linkz. You said something about you possibly being a crazy cop. FF should have picked up right away that you were claiming cop. My beef is that you actually seem doubtful about your role. I don't like the "maybe I'm a crazy cop" bit. BUT, there hasn't been a counter-claim and this would be one of those situations where cop counter-claim is obligatory.

I don't like what you said because you shouldn't get a free ride. If Linkz does indeed show up as town, we're in a weird predicament.

However, your claim also fits into that part about where you said that someone should investigate prof or (was it ST?), and kill some other players whose names I dont remember. I countered by saying you might be going to kill, to softclaim vig later, to which you responded that I should keep my hole shut.....This kind of makes me think I was close enough to what you were doing that it provoked that reaction. However.... you didn't even investigate either of those two people, am I right?

So, it's hard to believe either way what you are or your affiliation. You could indeed be a crazy cop, and that's not something I'd like to test with a lynch.

I'm just running myself around in circles now...

I'd say we should give it another night. You target another player and see what the result is. And we go from there. The possible outcomes is that you are protected or you are killed. In either case we have a much better idea about who to go after.

Additionally, I am a little surprised that linkz hasn't prodded me further..

This may come down to a coin flip.

the last comes off as if you want to protect hatmoza, to give him some time to plan things further. I dunno, could be also be imagination, but I keep that in mind.

 

However, one of my main quarrels with you is your dramatically changed playstyle.

You keep low, you post way less, and the quality of your posts has reduced, you seem to rush things... You basically did an 180° from last game.  I was used to see big-ass posts where you press out informations of people, acting very thoughtful. Hell, I thought you planned every step you did.

This are enough reasons for me to vote you.

Vote: theprof00


 



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

I honestly have not been paying attention to the thread so I don't want to just random vote. Hatmoza claiming ioi I believe, I'm also a character who's someone in real life who's related to videogames. I don't understand why GoW named the Pumpkin Thimothy or why Justin Bieber was a town character. I would just vote no lynch, but it's far too late to do it.



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