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Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:
I've been dropping hints since day one. You guys are slow.

I cannot believe you guys don't want to vote linkz. This is ridiculous. I know ridiculous is thrown around like a baseball in baseball season, but this is the definition of ridiculous.

I am ioi, entrepreneur and founder of VGC.

There's my effing nameclaim, now do your part and hang Linkz.

I was thinking blacksaber, you said you did the assraping, which kind of threw me off.

Anyway, I want to get back to your tangle with Linkz. You said something about you possibly being a crazy cop. FF should have picked up right away that you were claiming cop. My beef is that you actually seem doubtful about your role. I don't like the "maybe I'm a crazy cop" bit. BUT, there hasn't been a counter-claim and this would be one of those situations where cop counter-claim is obligatory.

I don't like what you said because you shouldn't get a free ride. If Linkz does indeed show up as town, we're in a weird predicament.

However, your claim also fits into that part about where you said that someone should investigate prof or (was it ST?), and kill some other players whose names I dont remember. I countered by saying you might be going to kill, to softclaim vig later, to which you responded that I should keep my hole shut.....This kind of makes me think I was close enough to what you were doing that it provoked that reaction. However.... you didn't even investigate either of those two people, am I right?

So, it's hard to believe either way what you are or your affiliation. You could indeed be a crazy cop, and that's not something I'd like to test with a lynch.

I'm just running myself around in circles now...

I'd say we should give it another night. You target another player and see what the result is. And we go from there. The possible outcomes is that you are protected or you are killed. In either case we have a much better idea about who to go after.

Additionally, I am a little surprised that linkz hasn't prodded me further..

This may come down to a coin flip.

I wasn't expecting ioi either, because once again I fail to see how that is random.

I don't like the "crazy cop" bit either, because I have a slight feeling it was suggested as a pre-emptive defense in case I'm lynched for when I flip town. It's not necessary for someone else to claim cop though for hat to be Insane, as the presense of a Tracker, Watcher, LD, Thief, etc. would also support the "weakening" of a traditional cop. If there is a cop counter-claim they should step forward, but I'm not asking for anyone to come out as one of those roles. Simply asking that they keep that in mind.

If hat changed his mind from investigating you or ST, it would make sense given the suspicion voiced during twilight. I'm not questioning his choice of me as a target, though that could have been a set up.

Given no protection role(s) is already dead, I would normally disagree with not testing the claim today; however, since I know I am town that would be problematic. I think the idea of giving hat another night is best. You haven't mentioned the possibility of a scum roleblocker, but since nobody has claimed to be roleblocked, there's a good chance they don't have one. hat is a shoe-in for protection as the only claimed power, so it's unlikely he'll be killed.

As for me prodding you more, I usually wait til later with you because I always have such trouble reading you. The only interactions that haven't sat well with me were the ones between yourself and hat earlier. I currently have a town read, and your caution of hat's claim only enforces that further. I also think I have the scumteam pegged, in ST, sabby, and Heph(unmentioned until now, but I'll explain in the next post) so I haven't looked too strongly at anyone else.


Listen, I have a pool party to get through but I'm gonna make this quick. I challenge anyone to counter my name and character. No one can ...

You're latching onto everyone's ideas because they're retarded enough to question me, which fucking furiating me btw!

As for the crazy copy claim [and this goes to prof, heph as well], at the time, it was nothing more than an excuse to throw the word "adjustments" out there, as another hint. and if you played with me long enough, you'll know I entetained the idea of the crazy cop because I was a crazy cop in a previous game, and I refused to believe I was crazy which lead to one chaotic game.

 

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No I have no limitations.



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Hephaestos said:
Can someone remind of the reasons why ST is thought to be scum? just attitude and the way he talks? (he played the same way last round so...). I just don't see it.

I'm asking cause both prof and FF have asked to go on with SK after Hat's claim.... which is odd to prefer lynching without proof over using the info at hand (well understanding it first). Though both did participate to the Hat discussion to various extent... so i guess this isn't much in the way of suspicion... still i'm refreshing my fos of yesterday on FF.

FoS FF


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Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Fair enough, I'm not saying sabby isn't a good lynch. 6 days without posting is far too long, but at least he's not avoiding the thread. I feel stronger about ST, but I would get behind a sabby lynch too if the votes were there. If ST were still posting I'd even consider switching now to give him another chance at proving himself town, but that's not the case.

And I realize how bothersome it can be to reply to a bunch of quotes within a post, so I'll just let you know that I'm not that interested in a rebuttal at the moment. By all means do so if you should feel inclined, but the gap between sabby and you is fairly large, though not as large as the one between you and Vette/FF who are the next two on my list. As such, I'll just be keeping my eye on you until both of them are lynched and I can make a better informed decision.

well i'm a lot more interested in Hat than in you right now.

 

 

though this is a possibility:

theprof00 said:
they could both be scum; just want to throw that out there.

and here's why:

Hat is bold and with the time to talk to linkz, this could be an easy way to either clear himself or linkz.

Linkz is a likely night target... Hat says he's scum, he gets direct support form the power roles that targeted linkz. This outs poweroles without their knowledge. This makes Hat trustworthy to them.

-> linkz is lynched... Hat is a hero.

-> link is not lynched....stale mate, a day is gained for both of them.

-> Hat is lynched and flips scum.... Linkz is the poor victim as a high profile player who survived a suicide-bombing attempt.

What doesn't fit though is Hat's agression before the night... but this was late enough that it was not a risk, he could very well have planned all this and shared with you at night.

 

In any cases, Identifying Hat is the key.

 

You know, between this post, linkz big ass post before it, and my earlier suspicions of you, you just became one of the higher suspects on my list.

Gotta go 4th party!!!



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hatmoza said:
Skimming though posts and quick replies:

No I have no limitations.

thank you for your answer.

but I'll follow Proff's lead and think that we should wait tomorow to act on your evidence.

Although I still don't see much of the case on ST, i'll resist a linkz lynch today, but i'll accept the others.



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TruckOSaurus said:
To clear things up I'm not Mr. Mackey. My character name is not related to anything.


no? don't want an easy name claim?

good, if you're scum it really means names are useless.



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Final-Fan said:
I don't feel like nameclaiming at the moment, but I will say that I am also a real person involved in the video game industry.

you just linked yourself to hat and linkz... I say that cause baal was not in the VG industry.

then again ABC's claim makes him part of that group too.

 

Moreover people thinking that trucks can be McKay (or whatever the name was), a south park charater means that they probably don't have real life names.

 

Just pointing out the connections on names... and yeah even if it's just spitting out analysis, it can't hurt, the mafia already know the connection between their names if there is one.



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