By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General Discussion - Mafia Round 30 - Mayhem At 3ever's Abandoned Carnival

Can someone remind of the reasons why ST is thought to be scum? just attitude and the way he talks? (he played the same way last round so...). I just don't see it.

I'm asking cause both prof and FF have asked to go on with SK after Hat's claim.... which is odd to prefer lynching without proof over using the info at hand (well understanding it first). Though both did participate to the Hat discussion to various extent... so i guess this isn't much in the way of suspicion... still i'm refreshing my fos of yesterday on FF.

FoS FF



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Around the Network
Hephaestos said:
i'm surprised by the lack of night info we have...

anyways, the town might have been weighted heavily on the pumpkin... after all Radish hinted at a day kill ability which Link's description does not have.

This jumped out at me as rolefishing, but from my point of view I was the only one doing anything so far today. So I let it sit unmentioned, hoping somebody else would do something and at the same time confirm my suspicions as well.

Hephaestos said:
hatmoza said:
As for my FoS's

I'm honestly not too sure anymore about sabby but I'm still leaning towards scum. His absence doesn't come off as "I'm too busy to play" more like, "I want to have a presence in the game so I'll post far and between."

Vette is usually on my ass every game I play with him. Since he hasn't touched my ass so far this game (I think) I find that suspicious.

I also don't like how Heph came forward to speak on my behalf earlier this day. Maybe he's town who trusts me. Anyone who defends me has my trust. I'm naive enough to overlook the possibility of people being scum when they're nice to me.

ah! ST questioned that too, answered him already. (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4126154)

You're actually high on my suspicion list, low on my "is acting scummy" list.... so overall neutral. You're actually at the same level as linkz, so the opposition is rather interesting.

Between this and the fumble comment, I get the impression that you're glad the spotlight has been shifted from ST to the two of us.

 

Hephaestos said:

  

ah i did miss a line after your quote.

I'm surprised though... with a flying pumpkin shooting lasers off it's ass, I would assume any town role to be... weakened...

Do you have any restrictions (no need to say which, just if you do...).

(sorry but I don't get the name from the hint... though the name isn't really important ^^)

 

This comes off more as wondering how big of a threat hat is than curiousity of the claim fitting balance-wise.

 

Hephaestos said:

 

Secondly, I disagree with Proff. Hat's role isn't clear, all he claimed was that he may be a crazy cop. Of the currently active people 3 are confused by this at least, that is enough to warrant a clearer explanation. What I want to know is if he has limitations of any kind (don't care the kind), because Radish's role sounded already pretty powerfull and unless most people are vanilla, an unrestrained cop in this game sounds a bit off.

Also, do crazy cops appear as crazy when they die? important for the matter at hand no?

It's weird that you said "with your role known" and then switch to being unsure of the role. Even I know hat is saying he's a full-on Cop, but he mentioned at one point that he thought he might have sanity issues. Now that this is the third time you've mentioned radish being powerful for town it's pretty clear to me that you have some kind of indication how powerful the mafia are, or rather aren't. Otherwise, with no scum flipped there's no telling how strong they are and how strong town is to compensate.

Sanity isn't always clarified upon death, and yes that is an important detail.

Hephaestos said:

by the way, where's Sabby?

While I agree that sabby's absence is bothersome, and I've already given a couple of other reasons why I have him as my number two suspect, I really question how you can be neutral on ST given his dissappearance from the game after my case against him and prof's question. I know I'm putting the cart before the horse, but I think you want to be on the train with no momentum in hopes that neither is actually lynched. And later on if sabby is lynched, you can say "See I was on scum anyway."

Bottom line is I feel like you're discouraged that you got stuck with two people that sort of pointed the finger at you due to mutual omission. I appreciate you staying active though and trying to make the best of it.

Hephaestos said:

would you be open to claiming or do you feel this to be a destructive path for the town?

Currently there is a claim that you are scum by Hat, but he has yet to clarify what he claims to be. A Claim from you would help clear the fog on this situation.

I don't believe my roleclaim would be helpful for town. I see no harm in a nameclaim though; however, unfortunately I don't see it being helpful either. I'm Steve Wiebe.

Currently there is a claim that I am town by me. Either hat is lying(which I don't think is the case) or I've already explained how he could have gotten a guilty result when I should be innocent.



Hephaestos said:
Can someone remind of the reasons why ST is thought to be scum? just attitude and the way he talks? (he played the same way last round so...). I just don't see it.

I'm asking cause both prof and FF have asked to go on with SK after Hat's claim.... which is odd to prefer lynching without proof over using the info at hand (well understanding it first). Though both did participate to the Hat discussion to various extent... so i guess this isn't much in the way of suspicion... still i'm refreshing my fos of yesterday on FF.

FoS FF

Here that about sums it up. A few more points have been made since then, but that and the lack of a response while posting elsewhere the last few days is more than enough for me to be 90+% sure it's the right lynch.



Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Can someone remind of the reasons why ST is thought to be scum? just attitude and the way he talks? (he played the same way last round so...). I just don't see it.

I'm asking cause both prof and FF have asked to go on with SK after Hat's claim.... which is odd to prefer lynching without proof over using the info at hand (well understanding it first). Though both did participate to the Hat discussion to various extent... so i guess this isn't much in the way of suspicion... still i'm refreshing my fos of yesterday on FF.

FoS FF

Here that about sums it up. A few more points have been made since then, but that and the lack of a response while posting elsewhere the last few days is more than enough for me to be 90+% sure it's the right lynch.

ok thanks for that. So yeah, besides the "I was waiting to vote" thing, there's really not much that really struck me in there. and your posting elsewhere is nice... sabby's last post here was 6 days ago, he was online yesterday. Sabby wanted radish to kill someone to prove his ability. I find that a lot more incriminating.

I still see no decent reason to vote ST (yet).



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Fair enough, I'm not saying sabby isn't a good lynch. 6 days without posting is far too long, but at least he's not avoiding the thread. I feel stronger about ST, but I would get behind a sabby lynch too if the votes were there. If ST were still posting I'd even consider switching now to give him another chance at proving himself town, but that's not the case.

And I realize how bothersome it can be to reply to a bunch of quotes within a post, so I'll just let you know that I'm not that interested in a rebuttal at the moment. By all means do so if you should feel inclined, but the gap between sabby and you is fairly large, though not as large as the one between you and Vette/FF who are the next two on my list. As such, I'll just be keeping my eye on you until both of them are lynched and I can make a better informed decision.



Around the Network
Linkzmax said:

1) This jumped out at me as rolefishing, but from my point of view I was the only one doing anything so far today. So I let it sit unmentioned, hoping somebody else would do something and at the same time confirm my suspicions as well.

And yet we did have night info from hat, so my surprise was well founded (....or did we?)

2) Between this and the fumble comment, I get the impression that you're glad the spotlight has been shifted from ST to the two of us.

fumble was a reference to me last round, I recall using the same term at one point about me outing stefl and myself... here Hat had just said "Oh I might be a crasy cop"... ousting himself (in theory)

3) This comes off more as wondering how big of a threat hat is than curiousity of the claim fitting balance-wise.

Why did you delete my fristly of (4) since it had a relation to this? I think he's not a full fledge cop as you say (below) so yeah it doesn't fit.

4) It's weird that you said "with your role known" and then switch to being unsure of the role. Even I know hat is saying he's a full-on Cop, but he mentioned at one point that he thought he might have sanity issues. Now that this is the third time you've mentioned radish being powerful for town it's pretty clear to me that you have some kind of indication how powerful the mafia are, or rather aren't. Otherwise, with no scum flipped there's no telling how strong they are and how strong town is to compensate.

 

"with your role known" means that since he already claimed something in the area of cop, the only people he's hurting with lack of clarity is the town, the mafia already have him as a target. So with the assumption that he didn't lie so far, he should be a lot more cooperative.

If it's so clear, then I want him to say it, not hint at it.

 5) Sanity isn't always clarified upon death, and yes that is an important detail.

That is why cop is a safer fake claim than one might think...

6) While I agree that sabby's absence is bothersome, and I've already given a couple of other reasons why I have him as my number two suspect, I really question how you can be neutral on ST given his dissappearance from the game after my case against him and prof's question. I know I'm putting the cart before the horse, but I think you want to be on the train with no momentum in hopes that neither is actually lynched. And later on if sabby is lynched, you can say "See I was on scum anyway."

Bottom line is I feel like you're discouraged that you got stuck with two people that sort of pointed the finger at you due to mutual omission. I appreciate you staying active though and trying to make the best of it.

Since I folow Sabby the 6 day goner, ST doesn't quite appear innactive to my eyes (isn't vet longer out than ST too?). Add ABC who just pops in and out...

mutual omission? you mean the trucks thing? then surely I should have stayed quiet instead of pooring a bit of tar on ST no? if I recall, at the time he was barely focused on.

7) I don't believe my roleclaim would be helpful for town. I see no harm in a nameclaim though; however, unfortunately I don't see it being helpful either. I'm Steve Wiebe.

Currently there is a claim that I am town by me. Either hat is lying(which I don't think is the case) or I've already explained how he could have gotten a guilty result when I should be innocent.

I'll reveal this on myself... my character is fictional. So I find it very odd that both you and Hat claimed live characters. Is it because of Radish's absence of a character and Baal's emo singer flip? Still I also know just from the 2 flips and my name that this is very random indeed.





OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Linkzmax said:
Fair enough, I'm not saying sabby isn't a good lynch. 6 days without posting is far too long, but at least he's not avoiding the thread. I feel stronger about ST, but I would get behind a sabby lynch too if the votes were there. If ST were still posting I'd even consider switching now to give him another chance at proving himself town, but that's not the case.

And I realize how bothersome it can be to reply to a bunch of quotes within a post, so I'll just let you know that I'm not that interested in a rebuttal at the moment. By all means do so if you should feel inclined, but the gap between sabby and you is fairly large, though not as large as the one between you and Vette/FF who are the next two on my list. As such, I'll just be keeping my eye on you until both of them are lynched and I can make a better informed decision.

well i'm a lot more interested in Hat than in you right now.

 

 

though this is a possibility:

theprof00 said:
they could both be scum; just want to throw that out there.

and here's why:

Hat is bold and with the time to talk to linkz, this could be an easy way to either clear himself or linkz.

Linkz is a likely night target... Hat says he's scum, he gets direct support form the power roles that targeted linkz. This outs poweroles without their knowledge. This makes Hat trustworthy to them.

-> linkz is lynched... Hat is a hero.

-> link is not lynched....stale mate, a day is gained for both of them.

-> Hat is lynched and flips scum.... Linkz is the poor victim as a high profile player who survived a suicide-bombing attempt.

What doesn't fit though is Hat's agression before the night... but this was late enough that it was not a risk, he could very well have planned all this and shared with you at night.

 

In any cases, Identifying Hat is the key.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Sorry for my absence, been busy the whole weekend, but I try to catch up.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

This might be a little random, but could Mr. Mackey be a mafia character? I doubt Mr. Mackey would participate in the things shown in the OP...



19:44:34 Skeezer METAL GEAR ONLINE
19:44:36 Skeezer FAILURE
19:44:51 ABadClown You're right!
19:44:55 ABadClown Hur hur hur
19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
19:45:04 Skeezer YOU ARE A FAILKURE
19:45:08 Skeezer FAILURE*
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
If you were town, the bolded part of the following quote would NOT be necessary at all...

"I don't believe you're a cop, because you said yourself that you believed your role was probably the most random. However, I would suppose it is possible you have a cop scan and if that is true, then that leaves 3 options, which I'll list from most likely to least likely in my opinion. It was an Insane/Paranoid scan, I was also Framed,(And I would be extremely upset if that were the case, because I'd likely have been chosen due to your placement of me at the top of your scum list during twilight) or I'm a Miller and wasn't told so.(That would certainly be ironic)"

Since you found it necessary to place doubt in my role, I'm not the least concerned with my sanity anymore.

Going back to this because it stood out during my reread. As town, I have no reason to trust you just because you say you are something. If I were scum, then I would already know your alignment and thus I'd have no doubts about your claim.

Also, I never once doubted that you scanned me. Only the claim that you got a guilty result because I know I should return an innocent result(a possibility you yourself first suggested) and the claim you were a plain cop because of a mistake YOU made. You have failed to acknowledge how that was the cause of my so-called "weak reasoning and links."(Although that last bit made no sense, since I hadn't used any links at the time)


Jesus, stop being so literal. Last I checked links also means connections ...

Everyone else playing. Go ef yourselves.I can't believe a cop has to explain their self. No wonder GoW hasn't logged on in 4 days. Because this game is unbearable.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson