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hatmoza on 24 June 2011

I didn't unvote F-F because he said something useful, There's actually no doubt in my mind that he'sscum anymore. I think this is going to be a successful first day lynch.

I didn't realize until now how badly timed that unvote was . I unvoted only because I was confused about the time limit which I thought would have ended the day around last night :/



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radishhead on 24 June 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
radishhead said:
Linkzmax said:



So there's no mutual hate according to you, but you ignore his posts at times because he annoys you? This makes me think you're not scumhunting as town or you're scum and already know if the content of the post has merit or not.

Then you have a mistake of attributing my post as Truck's, again displaying that you aren't paying attention.

Finally, you first say you were intentionally saying something suspicious to get discussion going. Then you change the story to trying to be suspicious so that mafia won't kill you, because you seem to think you're important. All things considered, if you are town you aren't normally going to be killed in tyhe first few nights UNLESS you actually give a reason for mafia to think you should be a target.(Which may be what you've done, which could also be what you want)
On the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen you as mafia. Were you worried what people would think of you being around if you know that you won't be night-killed barring a vig or SK shot?

I didn't change my story - it's both of these things

My gut tells me it's none of these things. You felt compelled to post, you went a quick empty statement and when you started getting heat for it, you just started adding potenial meanings to what was essentially a worthless post.

I'll be honest, I didn't think that my statement was going to draw this much attention. It's true that it's empty - but I had to say something.

On the topic of FF, I appreciate that Hatmosa has given a lot of good reasons as to why he should be lynched, but I'm not going to vote for him yet because I'm not 100% certain about it.



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Linkzmax on 24 June 2011
hatmoza said:
I didn't unvote F-F because he said something useful, There's actually no doubt in my mind that he'sscum anymore. I think this is going to be a successful first day lynch.

I didn't realize until now how badly timed that unvote was . I unvoted only because I was confused about the time limit which I thought would have ended the day around last night :/

So at the time you weren't sure enough he was scum, and thus unvoted to prevent his lynch? And now you are certain that he's scum, but aren't revoting?



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Linkzmax on 24 June 2011
radishhead said:
TruckOSaurus said:
radishhead said:
Linkzmax said:



So there's no mutual hate according to you, but you ignore his posts at times because he annoys you? This makes me think you're not scumhunting as town or you're scum and already know if the content of the post has merit or not.

Then you have a mistake of attributing my post as Truck's, again displaying that you aren't paying attention.

Finally, you first say you were intentionally saying something suspicious to get discussion going. Then you change the story to trying to be suspicious so that mafia won't kill you, because you seem to think you're important. All things considered, if you are town you aren't normally going to be killed in tyhe first few nights UNLESS you actually give a reason for mafia to think you should be a target.(Which may be what you've done, which could also be what you want)
On the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen you as mafia. Were you worried what people would think of you being around if you know that you won't be night-killed barring a vig or SK shot?

I didn't change my story - it's both of these things

My gut tells me it's none of these things. You felt compelled to post, you went a quick empty statement and when you started getting heat for it, you just started adding potenial meanings to what was essentially a worthless post.

I'll be honest, I didn't think that my statement was going to draw this much attention. It's true that it's empty - but I had to say something.

On the topic of FF, I appreciate that Hatmosa has given a lot of good reasons as to why he should be lynched, but I'm not going to vote for him yet because I'm not 100% certain about it.

So TOS is right, you felt compelled to post, but you didn't actually have anything to say.(Read my advice again) Why did you think you "had to say [no]thing"?

When would you be 100% certain about a lynch? So far you've only given me reasons to believe that your vote should be on FF, and nothing good enough to explain why it's not.



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radishhead on 24 June 2011
Linkzmax said:
radishhead said:
TruckOSaurus said:
radishhead said:
Linkzmax said:



So there's no mutual hate according to you, but you ignore his posts at times because he annoys you? This makes me think you're not scumhunting as town or you're scum and already know if the content of the post has merit or not.

Then you have a mistake of attributing my post as Truck's, again displaying that you aren't paying attention.

Finally, you first say you were intentionally saying something suspicious to get discussion going. Then you change the story to trying to be suspicious so that mafia won't kill you, because you seem to think you're important. All things considered, if you are town you aren't normally going to be killed in tyhe first few nights UNLESS you actually give a reason for mafia to think you should be a target.(Which may be what you've done, which could also be what you want)
On the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen you as mafia. Were you worried what people would think of you being around if you know that you won't be night-killed barring a vig or SK shot?

I didn't change my story - it's both of these things

My gut tells me it's none of these things. You felt compelled to post, you went a quick empty statement and when you started getting heat for it, you just started adding potenial meanings to what was essentially a worthless post.

I'll be honest, I didn't think that my statement was going to draw this much attention. It's true that it's empty - but I had to say something.

On the topic of FF, I appreciate that Hatmosa has given a lot of good reasons as to why he should be lynched, but I'm not going to vote for him yet because I'm not 100% certain about it.

So TOS is right, you felt compelled to post, but you didn't actually have anything to say.(Read my advice again) Why did you think you "had to say [no]thing"?

When would you be 100% certain about a lynch? So far you've only given me reasons to believe that your vote should be on FF, and nothing good enough to explain why it's not.

If I said nothing, it would increase my chances of getting lynched, since I'd be contributing less to the town, but it would also increase my chances of getting killed at night, because the Mafia may think that I'm hiding something important. I want to avoid both of these situations.

Hatmosa's comments on Final Fan are mainly analysis of a couple of posts. I could easily take a couple of his posts and twist them to make them seem scummy. Therefore I don't want to vote for FF until I actually believe that he is Mafia personally (ie. I don't need it to be pointed out in a post such as Hat's)



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Final-Fan on 24 June 2011
hatmoza said:
I didn't unvote F-F because he said something useful, There's actually no doubt in my mind that he'sscum anymore. I think this is going to be a successful first day lynch.

I didn't realize until now how badly timed that unvote was . I unvoted only because I was confused about the time limit which I thought would have ended the day around last night :/

What the hell is this?  You're not even making sense now. 

At least radish has the point in his favor that he's not voting me which would benefit him as scum (unless he's just too scared of consequences when I flip town), but you're simply crazy.  Admittedly you have a history of being crazy as town as well, but this case you're making against me is so flimsy, and I just find it hard to swallow that I'm such a linchpin in your unspecified whole-cast-encompassing theory of who people are, that I'm sure you will abandon without even explaining what it was when I flip town -- that is, if your bandwagon is successful, which I doubt it will be. 



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Final-Fan on 24 June 2011

Ahem.

"so flimsy ... that I think the most likely motivation behind it, considering your overly enthusiastic prosecution of it, is that you're scum."

Also what I mean by "not making sense" is not that you are incoherent but that I don't see how your reason makes sense. If you actually want me lynched, why unvote because of the timing of the lynch? I cannot fathom why successfully lynching mafia would be a problem if it happened to trigger overnight (IRL).



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hatmoza on 24 June 2011
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
I didn't unvote F-F because he said something useful, There's actually no doubt in my mind that he'sscum anymore. I think this is going to be a successful first day lynch.

I didn't realize until now how badly timed that unvote was . I unvoted only because I was confused about the time limit which I thought would have ended the day around last night :/

So at the time you weren't sure enough he was scum, and thus unvoted to prevent his lynch? And now you are certain that he's scum, but aren't revoting?


I looked through his profile and noticed that F-F has Animal Farm as one of his favorite books. Since I myself enjoy reading that 120 page book every now and then, I felt unvoting him at the time wasnecessary

But honestly, I wanted a response from him since he went idle for almost a day after my accusation so I thought unvoting him would get him back in the game. Of course, he posted as soon as I unvoted.

But, when I look back at it, the outcome of my action would have made no difference on the day ending in his lynch or not at the time, so it was pointless. Now that I see he's responded, I'm still for lynching him. He's defending himself by saying -in so many words- that I had more reason to vote Radish when I made it clear how much I hate Radish's playing style. I'm pretty sure I already mentioned that Radish is the kind of player I never try to get lynched due the confusion/distractions he INTENTIONALLY likes to cause (The guy admitted a while ago that deliberately likes to cause distractions).

I don't like sarcastic defenses. Usually innocents lash out, but he was being too sarcastic for my tastes. Although he made me laugh with his  "hur hur I'm Dr. Light" comment. Also, for some reason, he already  feels enough pressured to consider  giving a nameclaim.

 

Ididn't get the last part. He said that he was surprised I didn't use the revenge vote card when I clearly did. I don't know if that was more sarcasm or not.

A post later he mocks me, and that drew the line. No one mocks me and lives. (of course that ones a joke , or is it)



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hatmoza on 24 June 2011
Final-Fan said:
Ahem.

"so flimsy ... that I think the most likely motivation behind it, considering your overly enthusiastic prosecution of it, is that you're scum."

Also what I mean by "not making sense" is not that you are incoherent but that I don't see how your reason makes sense. If you actually want me lynched, why unvote because of the timing of the lynch? I cannot fathom why successfully lynching mafia would be a problem if it happened to trigger overnight (IRL).


WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS POSTING AS SOON AS I DO!

anyways, I conffessed above to Linkz how I realized that unvoting would make no difference on the outcome had the day ended.



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Linkzmax on 24 June 2011

Okay hat, that explains the unvote.(to get a response from him) But still no revote?

And I can vouch for you saying you can't stand Radish in a previous game and not wanting to lynch him because his playstyle intentionally makes him look worse. I don't recall if you were town or scum then, but it makes no difference. I'd be far more suspicious of you if you were voting him simply because of your emotions.(Especially after Wonk tried to lead such a lynch in the past and that proved to be a bad idea)



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