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Silver-Tiger said:

FoS Hatmoza
for trying to start a lynchtrain based on less than vague information. I don't think him saying he has an interesting name is any tell. Your vote is on him because he said he has an interesting name? Didn't you actually do the same?:

Hatmoza said:
I believed at the time that my role was probably the most random, and interesting character out of us. I still do.

Actually, you say your role is even more interesting, but you vote for him? Irony anyone?

And also
FoS TruckOSaurus

for quickly bandwagoning on Final-Fan without giving any reason.

if you read hat's post, there a whole lot of behavioral reasons to the vote ^^



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Hephaestos said:
Silver-Tiger said:

FoS Hatmoza
for trying to start a lynchtrain based on less than vague information. I don't think him saying he has an interesting name is any tell. Your vote is on him because he said he has an interesting name? Didn't you actually do the same?:

Hatmoza said:
I believed at the time that my role was probably the most random, and interesting character out of us. I still do.

Actually, you say your role is even more interesting, but you vote for him? Irony anyone?

And also
FoS TruckOSaurus

for quickly bandwagoning on Final-Fan without giving any reason.

if you read hat's post, there a whole lot of behavioral reasons to the vote ^^

I'm not saying there isn't a reason to vote for Hatmoza, that's why I FoSed him, but I'm always suspicious of people who just agree with people without giving any own reasons. I mean, TruckO basically did: "Hatmoza is right, vote: Final-Fan" (I'm not voting Final-Fan here, just giving back what TruckO did). Don't you see that a bit odd?



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

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Silver-Tiger said:
Hephaestos said:
Silver-Tiger said:

FoS Hatmoza
for trying to start a lynchtrain based on less than vague information. I don't think him saying he has an interesting name is any tell. Your vote is on him because he said he has an interesting name? Didn't you actually do the same?:

Hatmoza said:
I believed at the time that my role was probably the most random, and interesting character out of us. I still do.

Actually, you say your role is even more interesting, but you vote for him? Irony anyone?

And also
FoS TruckOSaurus

for quickly bandwagoning on Final-Fan without giving any reason.

if you read hat's post, there a whole lot of behavioral reasons to the vote ^^

I'm not saying there isn't a reason to vote for Hatmoza, that's why I FoSed him, but I'm always suspicious of people who just agree with people without giving any own reasons. I mean, TruckO basically did: "Hatmoza is right, vote: Final-Fan" (I'm not voting Final-Fan here, just giving back what TruckO did). Don't you see that a bit odd?


actually I meant to say Hatmoza mentioned a lot of behavioral reasons as to why he voted FF, not just the "interesting" comment.

 

and about trucks... sure, it's suspicious, but that is the cost of making a well thought out reasoning for your vote, you give a free pass to the others. I thought Hat's points were sound, that's the main basis to my changing my suspicions on FF to a vote, so basically i'm in the same basket.



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Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Less than 24 hours remaining. Day one ends at 1 PM GMT on the 24th of June (With a possible extension upto 25th June at the same time).

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

Vote: Time Extension

How are you handling the lynch at deadline:

Plurality(Player or No Lynch with most votes "wins") or simply No Lynch if there is no majority?

What will happen in the case of ties for 3 or more players, 2 players, and if a player ties with No Lynch?

considering I won't be here at all during the extra day, i won't vote for it... should FF start making a point, i'll vote the extention to A give him time, B give time to the town to do an informed descision (that is even if I don't change my vote).

if FF doesn't react I don't see the point in the extra day though.

I'm in the B column. There isn't a massive amount of activity, and even if there's no lynch today I'd like to see who people say they want lynched/are most suspicious of. The extra time could lead to FF's lynch as well, which I wouldn't be all that opposed to either. Currently I'd favor ST>FF>No Lynch>Anyone else.

OK, I doubt I can do anything to blow away your suspicions, but I would really like to know why you're so suspicious of me. From what I've got, the reason is because I made that joke about a SK. If you found it weird that this was the first thing that came to my mind, so be it, but that was really the first thing I could think of. It's day one and we can't draw any conclusions yet, because we have no confirmed nor revealed roles yet.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

theprof00 said:
I think Hatmoza is trying to start a quick lynch based on some pretty superficial evidence.
I also think my character is interesting, and it does fit with the "company" theme.
If anything, I think we should all be wary of people bringing up companies (in fact, my character gets fucked by one).
It's possible that name =/= alignment, even should be figure out the ties. I don't think gow who knowingly make the claims so easy. But, then again, it's also possible that he gave the mafia safe name claims, like linkz did in his round.
Not sure how much I can add.

It's also kinda dumb for Hat to try a train on someone so early in the game, but it's also kinda his strategy.

I'll just FoS him for now, though I'd rather vote for him. It doesn't look likely that he'll be voted today though, and I myself am willing to give him some time.

FoS Hatmoza

 

Summarization to Prof's FoS:

hatmoza is usually bold and starts early lynch trains day one. It's a common strategy that I'm familiar with. Somehow, I feel the need to call it stupid this game around. Also, I want to give his theory some time to marinate, but I also wouldn't mind lynching him today.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

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A Bad Clown said:

Sorry for being inactive guys, I can't even use my own computer until next Tuesday...


I don't like that there's a lynch train being set up day one, especially with so few posts. I don't really think my character name is interesting right now because I think there's a theme to the names in this. I'm not ready to vote anyone yet, but I don't like how Hatmoza started to insult Radish for seemingly no reason. If Hatmoza and Radish were made mafia, Hatmoza could have been angry that he had been paired up Radish and that Radish was acting helpless. What mainly bugged me was  when Hatmoza said

 

"I'm going to have to stomach your presence until one of us gets lynched/nightkilled." (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4115651)

 

I just thought was an odd thing to say, and he didn't vote Radish when he stated how much he hated playing him. He never answered why he did it when Final-Fan asked, if someone can find some more interesting details tell me. Right now I'm going to vote for a time extension, I don't think there's evidence to start lynching anyone.


Vote: Time Extension


I would still genuinely treat radish like shi* if he and I were actually scum on the same team. That's how much I despise playing mafia with him.

And yes, many players can add/vouch me for me pissing on Radish's play style multiple times in a couple other games.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
TruckOSaurus said:
hatmoza said:
Hephaestos said:
If I recall from the opening thread, GoW said there won't be a definite theme but characters pulled out from left and right.... ABC's company comment sounds fitting to this.
others.... are kinda wierd.


ABC's company comment ... tells me characters are not so random after all. If you can't see that, then you're role is playing from a different angle that doesn't agree with ABC's and I, which frankly makes me uncomfortable. Especially you trying to differ the discussion into "role doesn't mean alignment" argument.

My character doesn't fit with any company whatsoever either so I guess that puts me in a different angle as well.


Then you are related to a website, presumably a video game website. Try and keep up.

I know this was directed at TOS, but "Try and keep up"? This is the first mention of characters being linked to websites. How do you expect anyone to know by their own name and what little has been said so far to make that connection? And like TOS I'm also not linked to a video game website. Going by the reactions so far that's making me trust him the most of anyone as being town. It's a short rope in the grand scheme of things, but it's stronger than my thinking ABC is town based on ST.

I'm getting the feeling that you are doing all this character origin fishing just to see if it's okay to claim your actual character. It's risky to be in the spotlight like this, but maybe you're doing it for the benefit of your scummates.


Because I selfishly want to figure out how roles are characterized using my role and towniness alignment as a control measure. See, I want to find the connection between alignment in hopes of pinning the scum down based on characters alone. A page I  pulled from Gnizmo's book.

I won't question it anymore because all I need now is a dead body in the OP to confirm one thing for me, and then I can begin to lay the hammer on my suspects.  It could be very much a short rope, but my character is very telling, because as someone else mentioned (I forget who) the theme of the game is definitely based upon rivals.

The only way you could understand it is if I gave up my role... which is something I'm notoriously known for doing.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Silver-Tiger said:

FoS Hatmoza
for trying to start a lynchtrain based on less than vague information. I don't think him saying he has an interesting name is any tell. Your vote is on him because he said he has an interesting name? Didn't you actually do the same?:

Hatmoza said:
I believed at the time that my role was probably the most random, and interesting character out of us. I still do.

Actually, you say your role is even more interesting, but you vote for him? Irony anyone?

And also
FoS TruckOSaurus

for quickly bandwagoning on Final-Fan without giving any reason.


And if you read the post more clearly you would have noticed that my main point was to show that F-F was not the only person with an interesting name.

Also, you are in no position to cherry picking posts or FoSing.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza said:
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
Final-Fan said:
If you hate radish so bad, hatmoza, why are you trying to get ME lynched? Have I somehow aroused genuine suspicion from you?

I'm anxious to know what's so interesting about your character -so- I want you dead day one. If it's as interesting as you make it, it should be helpful to us to clarify it ... by lynching you.

I already told you it's the identity of my character, not his abilities, that was so remarkable.  I don't see how it could be worth lynching me just to find out that information.  Anyway, this strikes me as a terrible idea all round, at least the way you stated it. 

Vote hatmoza

 it was your very first post that got me excited about lynching you. The "OMG my role is better than sliced bread" post.If you want an elaborate answer. Multiple things bug me about you. Fortunate for you, it's not the kind of stuff that can't piece together a good argument to rally people behind me.

First, I'm pretty sure multiple players have interesting roles, the way you came out and boosted about yours struck me as someone trying to feel the playing field -get a sense of what's out there, what the potential threats are to you or your scum buddies. And to be completely honest, I bit my tongue from concurring with your post at the time because I was paranoid that you had some kind of agenda, which came out to be true:

I didn't mean my role was that interesting, I meant my name was that interesting. I probably said that because I was wondering if other people had characters with equally interesting names, but maybe you don't. ...And maybe you're mafia!]]

This post reeks. Even after a couple players called you out, you insisted on encouraging people to come forward with their characters. Labeling those who didn't have anything interesting to say as mafia...

I  believed at the time that my role was probably the most random, and interesting character out of us. I still do.

Also, I found it strange that you never asked for an explanation of my vote on you until recently. Almost as if you didn't want to aggravate the situation on yourself. You ignored it. You had time to flirt with baalz "sweet ass" comment but you timely ignored me until now. I don't know about you, but when I'm mafia, I usually ignore people who correctly place a vote on my scum ass - hoping they'll eventually unvote me. If the vote persists, I question it later. You're doing the same exact thing, which is giving the illusion that you're not being defensive by being passive. What's good about this technique, is that it also allows the opportunity to sneak in a revenge vote without other players realizing it. Like you did above ...

Also, you're not as clueless as say Truck's or Linkz because you're not questioning the main topics of today, and you really never chipped in your 2 cents to what kind of players this mafia game consists of. This specifically makes me want to see you hang today. You know more than you're sharing. But you're intentionally not sharing anything -just drawing information ... observing would be a better word.

You voted me completely without explanation on Day 1.  That sort of thing happens a LOT, and I didn't take it seriously at all -- in fact I more or less figured it was a joke/random vote -- until you finally brought up the subject again, at which point I questioned you.  (Although I would have questioned you anyway since you attacked radish, who would therefore seem a better place to put your vote.)  That is in no way evidence of the attitude you are trying to impute to me. 

"Oh no, Final-Fan didn't take a random vote seriously on Day 1, he must be scum!"  Hardly. 

As for "encouraging people to come forward with their characters", again, not really.  I could be wrong, but right now I have no reason to believe that the ... "interestingness" ... of our character names is indicative of the power, or power level, of our roles.  Therefore my comment was harmless, even if someone took me up on the invitation I didn't make.  Unless they did something REALLY stupid like "hur hur, I know, I'm Dr. Light". 

As for your final paragraph:  Damn, what do you want from me?  I comment on characters and you think I'm mafia.  I get a backlash, back off commenting on characters, and you think I'm mafia.  Do you WANT me to name my character or something? 

All in all, I'd say this smells a lot like you're lashing out because I voted you.  I'm almost surprised you haven't pulled the "revenge vote" card. 



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hatmoza said:

Because I selfishly want to figure out how roles are characterized using my role and towniness alignment as a control measure. See, I want to find the connection between alignment in hopes of pinning the scum down based on characters alone. A page I  pulled from Gnizmo's book.

I won't question it anymore because all I need now is a dead body in the OP to confirm one thing for me, and then I can begin to lay the hammer on my suspects.  It could be very much a short rope, but my character is very telling, because as someone else mentioned (I forget who) the theme of the game is definitely based upon rivals.

The only way you could understand it is if I gave up my role... which is something I'm notoriously known for doing.

Oh wow, if you're not scum, I have a horrible and hilarious idea about who you are. 
So let's take a page from hatmoza's book and lynch him to prove/discredit my theory! 



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My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Sen. Pat Moynihan
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