It's very simple really. We have numbers through October in NA totalling 3.20 million. Through November 3.77 million. These cume from NPD. NPD by the way counts estimates for Walmart & Sams Club - look it up. We have Japan with 0.27 million through December 23rd. These come from Famitsu and Metacreate. We have some news of 2 million 360s sold during November/December period. In NA this puts us around 3.2 + 2.0 = 5.2 million sold In Japan about 0.3 million sold counting an estimate for last week of December. In in the rest of the world about 45% of NA sales (from Microsoft's historical data) gives us 2.34 million sold. Total worldwide 5.2 + 0.3 + 2.34 = 7.84 million. I would have to give it some margin for error so being quite generous 10% margin gives between 7 and 8.6 million worldwide.

I think it's quite simple to get 7.9 million really.

Sorry, I am re-starting this thread because for some reason I could not read my replies to the original. There's something in a post on that thread that is breaking the forum.. First a myth to clear up, NPD adds in an estimate for Walmart and other stores which they don't collect hard sales numbers from. You can find this information in this document Understanding NPD's Point of Sale Data http://www.adobe.com/macromedia/ir/macr/whitepapers/npd_pos.pdf Second I'll summarize the info we have. NPD sales in NA through end of October were 3.2 million. Early estimates of sales in NA through November & December are 2 million. It should be noted I'd say that is an over-estimate, but I'll keep it for this exercise. So total we expect through the end of year in NA is about 5.2 million. Estimate in Japan until a week ago was 280k. I would guess it's around 300k at end of December. Rest of world hisorically sold 45% of NA (from Microsoft historical information). 45% of 5.2 million is 2.34 million. Add it all together we get 5.2 + 0.3 + 2.34 = 7.84 million I would however include some margin of error like 10%, would give us a number of 7.9 million +/- 800k. If Microsoft hit its target of 'shipping' 10 million consoles by end of year, I would say selling between 7.9 and 8.7 million consoles through to consumers is a fairly plausible and respectable sellthrough (obviously they have not sold all since shops are bulging with consoles). Correct me if I got something wrong. ... now if you want a serious example of numbers that don't add up try PS3 on nexgenwars.com. They claim 858,000 PS3s worldwide. We saw about 200k in NA during November. We saw about 400k in Japan until one week ago. Probably close to 500k now. Put it together, they are saying only 158k in NA in December which is completely outside of conceivable reality. nexgenwars.com is Microsoft FUD.

I'm sorry but it is you who are making errors about the NPD numbers. Numbers in US alone were only 2.9 million at end of October. As can be seen on many sources, total in USA was 3.4 million at the end of November. (they all show the same, 3.4 million in US at end of November which includes 510,000 sold during november, which puts October total in US at 2.9 million) The 3.2 million number I quoted for NA includes US, Canada and Mexico.

Sorry but it is you who is making the serious errors. 3.2 million through October includes all of the Americas. US alone through October was only 2.9 million. The proof is on many sites. http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/npd/revised-npd-shows-lower-sales-good-flamebait-222038.php http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/14/november-npd-revised-data-reveals-current-install-bases/ http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14737 According to those, US alone was 3.4 million at the end of November, which counts 510,000 sales in November, so at the end of October it was 2.9 million. Your estimate of 1.5 million is much too high for Canada and Mexico, their market is only about 10% the size of the US market. The 3.2 million figure I quoted includes US, Canada and Mexico. So again 3.2 + est 2.0 in november/december + 2.76 rest of world = 7.96.

I said nearly the same things yesterday. As i suggested Monty just didnt want to hear me. He wont listen to you as well.

I answered something in the line of what you said but somehow the other thread broke and my answer was unreadable .I simply think Monty has his own ideas (or nextgenwars ideas ) and doesnt want to listen . Even ,NPD stated some 20 days ago that it had overestimated the amount of X360 sold as cumulative base in 400 000 and that wasnt reflected in the graphics of the principal page so we can see some surprises when the official numbers arrive .

Wow... No, no, and no!! You people have no clue about what you are debating. NPD numbers as we are typically debating here DO NOT INCLUDE CANADA!!!!! NPD does figure out Canada numbers, but those are separate. They have an NPD Canada division as well as the standard NPD division. One of the biggest misconceptions with NPD data is that it is more than the U.S. It does not! Here is the US numbers for the 360 month by month Nov/2005 330,000 Dec/2005 280,000 Jan/2006 250,000 Feb/2006 160,000 Mar/2006 190,000 Apr/2006 300,000 May/2006 220,000 Jun/2006 280,000 Jul/2006 210,000 Aug/2006 200,000 Sep/2006 260,000 Oct/2006 220,000 Nov/2006 510,000 http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=11067 Add those up and you get 3.410 million units sold. Now... do yourself a favor and look at how much vgcharts is reporting for "the Americas"... it is 5.26 million. Do you believe that vgcharts is estimating 1.8 million 360's were sold in the US in December??? Because if you believe NPD stats include Canada, you have to believe that, or that vgcharts is messed up. The fact is that NPD stats as we typically get are US only. Trust me when I say I know what I'm talking about on this issue! NPD reports Canada and US numbers separately, but the US numbers are FAR more easy to come by, and generally the ones that the press seeks out. What I love about this is that all of your arguments right now are hinging on whether NPD data includes all of NA... which means when I destroy that argument, you guys will have nothing left to hang on. Just for fun, I'll give you guys a little more rope and let you hang yourselves, but anybody who can use Google will be able to find the answer to the Canada and US NPD data issue, and what the above numbers reflect. If you'd like to continue, I'll definitely let you for a bit... However, I'd really suggest researching the issue before you speak too much more!