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The only time that a skilled hacker ever got caught is when s/he got careless for having too much lulz.
They are bound to make mistakes eventually if they keep up. However, it's probably cheaper to toughen the security than to play cat and mouse with hackers.



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Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:


Actually what he's talking about... is if you read the Update... you find... he wasn't a hacker at all.

He was a hacker, just not a LulzSec hacker.


There is nothing to suggest that except that the article still refers to him as a hacker.

Furthermore, there is no indication whether or not he is an illegal hacker.

Afterall a lot of hacking applications are legal.

Really, there needs to be two words for hackers.

One that does the legal forms, adn another that does the illegal forms.



radiantshadow92 said:
All it says is that he says he isnt the hacker. But who cares? Interrogate that SOB


That's like arresting and interogating you becausee you hang out in the same bar as some bank theives.  If he is innocent... this really would be a huge violation of his civil rights.

He's probably already released anyway though.



Kasz216 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
All it says is that he says he isnt the hacker. But who cares? Interrogate that SOB


That's like arresting and interogating you becausee you hang out in the same bar as some bank theives.  If he is innocent... this really would be a huge violation of his civil rights.

He's probably already released anyway though.

If i was hanging out by a bunch of bank thieves, i wouldnt blame the police for interogating me. Anything like that can get them closer to the thieves is cool with me. The same should apply for this guy. Man why defend so much, you like the devil or something?!

 

 

 

*trollface*



@oldschoolfool

Guilty as charged I am a terrible downer. Yeah shame on me for actually giving a damn about the safety of fellow gamers. Who think that what they do not know cannot harm them, or pretend that sticking their heads in the ground will mean that the danger will pass. You know who else are probably downers your family, friends, and civil servants. How dare they bring you down by pointing out real dangers. After all nobody has ever gotten seriously hurt by being happy and stupid?

Sony security isn't improving. Instead it is actually crumbling before our eyes. With sixteen successful hacks, and the number increasing on almost a daily basis. How could any of us have doubts that everything is a bed of roses. I mean it isn't as if the hackers have actually gotten better at hacking Sony. Oh wait they have. Now they are sharing system source code openly, and providing system network maps. Surely nobody can use this knowledge to ill ends right. I mean it isn't like this is a key that might allow scores of hackers to modify code that is already in the system. Things like Viruses, and Trojans those are all make believe right.

I know you think I do not understand how you feel. Sadly I know exactly how you feel. That doesn't justify lashing out at anyone who is just telling the truth. I am not saying you should be apathetic, and I can understand why you may want to delude yourself. These things however aren't going to do you a lick of good. Feelings will not in the end will not keep you from being swept out to sea. Being prepared is your only good option.

Look I am just going to come out and say this. Sony is losing this war, and with all the inroads that the hacking community is making into the Sony infrastructure. Eventually they are going to score critical hits beyond propaganda victories. This isn't conjecture even if it somehow manages to stay on that side of the equation. Eventually trust in the company is going to collapse. Right now Sony is on the edge. Eventual these failures are going to compound one another, and the situation is going to go super critical.

Sony needs time to lick its wounds, and to replace its defenses. Speaking as a consumer if you really care about this company. Trying to protect them by downplaying the problem isn't going to help. Get a petition going that asks Sony to take down all unsecured websites until such a time that they can be secure. Frankly Sony shouldn't need to be told to do this. They are just falling into the same trap many of their fans are falling into. A loss of face is not in fact worse then a permanent loss of credibility. There is a magical number here, because it is developing quickly. Twenty hacks over a few years is one thing. Twenty hacks in under two months that is a whole other beast.





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radiantshadow92 said:
Kasz216 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
All it says is that he says he isnt the hacker. But who cares? Interrogate that SOB


That's like arresting and interogating you becausee you hang out in the same bar as some bank theives.  If he is innocent... this really would be a huge violation of his civil rights.

He's probably already released anyway though.

If i was hanging out by a bunch of bank thieves, i wouldnt blame the police for interogating me. Anything like that can get them closer to the thieves is cool with me. The same should apply for this guy. Man why defend so much, you like the devil or something?!

 

 

 

*trollface*

Interogating and arresting are two very different things.

Espiecally when it comes to the internet.  If someone on this message board committed a crime, would you be fine with the cops arresting you, booking you and holding you?  What are the chances you are going to know anything?

Seems like the exact same situation.



Kasz216 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Kasz216 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
All it says is that he says he isnt the hacker. But who cares? Interrogate that SOB


That's like arresting and interogating you becausee you hang out in the same bar as some bank theives.  If he is innocent... this really would be a huge violation of his civil rights.

He's probably already released anyway though.

If i was hanging out by a bunch of bank thieves, i wouldnt blame the police for interogating me. Anything like that can get them closer to the thieves is cool with me. The same should apply for this guy. Man why defend so much, you like the devil or something?!

 

 

 

*trollface*

Interogating and arresting are two very different things.

Espiecally when it comes to the internet.  If someone on this message board committed a crime, would you be fine with the cops arresting you, booking you and holding you?  What are the chances you are going to know anything?

Seems like the exact same situation.


Unless i am missing something all we have is this measly story. So you are most likely right in that it is a false alarm. Unless the FBI really did get them, and they are hiding it for further investigation. Either way, we dont know. Unless you have another link proving that he isnt a hacker, im going to go with my gut and say that he is. 



youarebadatgames said:
Not part of lulzsec

http://pastebin.com/yut4P6qN

But on the bright side you can now download the the PSN dev network source code from file sharing sites

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/technology/lulzsec-member-arrested-group-leaks-sony-database-57296.html


ROFL yeeaaaaaa, riiiiiiiiiiight, just like the any half smart organization tied to any black ops will turn around and say "X soldier has nothing to do with us, we never heard of him"



Make games, not war (that goes for ridiculous fanboys)

I may be the next Maelstorm or not, you be the judge http://videogamesgrow.blogspot.com/  hopefully I can be more of an asset than a fanboy to VGC hehe.

radiantshadow92 said:
Kasz216 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Kasz216 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
All it says is that he says he isnt the hacker. But who cares? Interrogate that SOB


That's like arresting and interogating you becausee you hang out in the same bar as some bank theives.  If he is innocent... this really would be a huge violation of his civil rights.

He's probably already released anyway though.

If i was hanging out by a bunch of bank thieves, i wouldnt blame the police for interogating me. Anything like that can get them closer to the thieves is cool with me. The same should apply for this guy. Man why defend so much, you like the devil or something?!

 

 

 

*trollface*

Interogating and arresting are two very different things.

Espiecally when it comes to the internet.  If someone on this message board committed a crime, would you be fine with the cops arresting you, booking you and holding you?  What are the chances you are going to know anything?

Seems like the exact same situation.


Unless i am missing something all we have is this measly story. So you are most likely right in that it is a false alarm. Unless the FBI really did get them, and they are hiding it for further investigation. Either way, we dont know. Unless you have another link proving that he isnt a hacker, im going to go with my gut and say that he is. 

Should I take that to as close as conceding the point as you'll get?  If Brett hacked into the CIA and you got arrested, process and held... you'd be upset about it?

If he really was a part of them... you'd expect them to lay low... rather then keep hacking Sony.

If you can arrest anyone that's in the same chat room or website as a hacker... we're all probably arrestable.



From what I have seen of Lulzsec it is a fairly insulated organization. They seem to be based upon a system made up of three tiers. Each placed within a hierarchy. Which would be Leadership, Initiated, and Uninitiated. The Leadership is insulated from the Initiated, and the Initiated are insulated from the Uninitiated. None of these groups use the same forums, chat rooms, or websites. The Uninitiated if you haven't figured it out yet aren't actually in the group. They are pleading the case for their inclusion in a public setting. Which means they may have a couple initiated members that are watching these sites looking for candidates. Anyone who has any real access is already safely removed from the bustle, and even the initiated that are watching. Probably aren't actively engaging, but are instead buried under twenty proxies getting severely delayed transcripts.

Basically once one of the Uninitiated caught wind that they were being raided, and screamed out to the mass. The Initiated members of Lulzsec had ample time to leave before there was a chance to trace them, and lets face it all, but one guy was able to get away. Yeah a room full of people, and they were only able to grab one of them. Even then it was probably the weakest of the lot. Good job Cops you nabbed the guy in a wheel chair. Seriously Lulzsec has a lot to laugh about with this. Nobody important got caught, and only one guy was even nabbed. The guy who probably also knows jack shit.

Who knows he could have been a journalist, a sight seer, a student, or someone who works in security looking for pointers. This is something that the police themselves actually practice. They go to places frequented by criminal groups to find out how they do their crimes.

Anyway this is a pretty sophisticated group. The best option for law enforcement is to use rewards, undercover operatives, and well placed traps. Offer a good sized reward, and someone high up might be convinced to work as a double agent for them. Getting some guys on the inside would also be a good idea. Being able to predict a attack might allow them to catch the hackers unawares. Raiding a fan club is simply uninspired. No sophisticated gang has been brought down by that knucklehead shit.