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vlad321 on 15 June 2011
Farmageddon said:
sapphi_snake said:
Farmageddon said:
"Obviously you know little about Communist society. You follow orders and you don't question them or else you disappear misteriously and are never heard from again."

That's not a feature of a Communist society, but of any totalitarian society. But I'm failing to see the point of this argument. Your original claim that his claim about no one complaining about being circuncised was due to lack of human rights on his country is simply faulty, wether or not such rights are observed there, since just about every American who had the procedure done isn't complaing either.

I was talking about the fact that they're not educated to appreciate or demand human rights. In America circumcision was practiced en messe due to people/doctor's having the faulty belief that it has medical benefits (something which is contrary to reality). In his country it's practiced for religious reasons/cultural reasons, no actual benefits beign used as motivation, which shows that the rights of the individual are not taken into consideration.

Just like forcing kids into religious schools :P

But my point is that it doesn't rally matter if people don't complain on his country for this or that reason. It's a fact that anywhere circuncision's a commom practice the vast majority of people doesn't seem to care, be it in a country where people are aware of their rights or not. So his point, that (the vast majority of) circuncised people in places where the practice ios commom are not complaing is valid.

I mentined it earlier. People are very touching about their dicks. Even if some people weren't happy with it do you honestly think they would come out and admit that there is something wrong with their dicks? A much better measure is to look at how many grown men undergo circumcision purely out of choice.



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Farmageddon on 15 June 2011
vlad321 said:
Farmageddon said:

Just like forcing kids into religious schools :P

But my point is that it doesn't rally matter if people don't complain on his country for this or that reason. It's a fact that anywhere circuncision's a commom practice the vast majority of people doesn't seem to care, be it in a country where people are aware of their rights or not. So his point, that (the vast majority of) circuncised people in places where the practice ios commom are not complaing is valid.

I mentined it earlier. People are very touching about their dicks. Even if some people weren't happy with it do you honestly think they would come out and admit that there is something wrong with their dicks? A much better measure is to look at how many grown men undergo circumcision purely out of choice.

I'm quite convinced their non-caring is honest. It's just cultural really and it's like that since they remember withouth any decent loss of utility, I really don't think they're pretending not care. Of course no one can prove or disprove that, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong about it.  Now yeah, a grown man would rather have a colonoscopy than a circuncision, but that's different. Don't get me wrong, I abhor the idea too and wouldn't do it to my child, but you should realise where this comes from, it has to do with identity or some shit like that. I'm not thinking clear right now tho, so I'll leave it there :P



MoiseHnkel on 15 June 2011

Did they now that circumcision before to be alliance with god, its a medical intevention to protect from infection ?

Study prove that circumcision proctect more then 50% agaisnt sexual deasese and bacteria.


It sound more to me like,


We are in a Catholique state overrun by conscervative crouk who dont like youre pagan rituel soooo ... get out.

this law act is provide With the support Of the Creationist For shcool, You are not the miraculus procuct of evolution. You were created by two people, who had probably sex with there children and grand children.

Maybe that why Humanity is so freaking dumb ...



vlad321 on 15 June 2011
Farmageddon said:
vlad321 said:
Farmageddon said:

Just like forcing kids into religious schools :P

But my point is that it doesn't rally matter if people don't complain on his country for this or that reason. It's a fact that anywhere circuncision's a commom practice the vast majority of people doesn't seem to care, be it in a country where people are aware of their rights or not. So his point, that (the vast majority of) circuncised people in places where the practice ios commom are not complaing is valid.

I mentined it earlier. People are very touching about their dicks. Even if some people weren't happy with it do you honestly think they would come out and admit that there is something wrong with their dicks? A much better measure is to look at how many grown men undergo circumcision purely out of choice.

I'm quite convinced their non-caring is honest. It's just cultural really and it's like that since they remember withouth any decent loss of utility, I really don't think they're pretending not care. Of course no one can prove or disprove that, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong about it.  Now yeah, a grown man would rather have a colonoscopy than a circuncision, but that's different. Don't get me wrong, I abhor the idea too and wouldn't do it to my child, but you should realise where this comes from, it has to do with identity or some shit like that. I'm not thinking clear right now tho, so I'll leave it there :P


I am not saying that they actively care or are sad or whatever. I am just saying that the ones that DO care, probably won't voice their views because no one wants to be making fun of their own dick. Which is why the "they are not bitching about it" is such a bad metric and why grown men who choos to undergo circumcision is so much better.



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Farmageddon on 15 June 2011
vlad321 said:
Farmageddon said:

I'm quite convinced their non-caring is honest. It's just cultural really and it's like that since they remember withouth any decent loss of utility, I really don't think they're pretending not care. Of course no one can prove or disprove that, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong about it.  Now yeah, a grown man would rather have a colonoscopy than a circuncision, but that's different. Don't get me wrong, I abhor the idea too and wouldn't do it to my child, but you should realise where this comes from, it has to do with identity or some shit like that. I'm not thinking clear right now tho, so I'll leave it there :P


I am not saying that they actively care or are sad or whatever. I am just saying that the ones that DO care, probably won't voice their views because no one wants to be making fun of their own dick. Which is why the "they are not bitching about it" is such a bad metric and why grown men who choos to undergo circumcision is so much better.

Oh, yeah, sure. But then again grown men who undergo will have associated emotions. If the guy cut it unwillingly, maybe because of a disease, it can be very traumatic. But if he did it willingly, maybe because he thinks it looks better, maybe because he converted into some religion, the he will probably have a positive view on it. SO you can create bias on both ways.

Still, you are right in that they are the only way to study what perceptive difference does it make.



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sapphi_snake on 15 June 2011
MoiseHnkel said:
Did they now that circumcision before to be alliance with god, its a medical intevention to protect from infection ?

Study prove that circumcision proctect more then 50% agaisnt sexual deasese and bacteria.


It sound more to me like,


We are in a Catholique state overrun by conscervative crouk who dont like youre pagan rituel soooo ... get out.

this law act is provide With the support Of the Creationist For shcool, You are not the miraculus procuct of evolution. You were created by two people, who had probably sex with there children and grand children.

Maybe that why Humanity is so freaking dumb ...

I dare you to have unprotected sex with a HIV infected women. Lets see if your magical circumcision powers work!



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sapphi_snake on 15 June 2011
elticker said:


for sapphi do you use alcohol based gels alot for washing and soap ten tiems a day?

answer me adn i will tell you why i asked, same thign to vlad

I do not use alcohol-based shower gels, or soaps. I do wash my hands several times a day due to my OCD. Why do you ask this?



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Sri Lumpa on 15 June 2011
elticker said:
vlad321 said:

I am still eagerly awaiting a good reason for why a person should be circumcised as a child instead of when they are able give consent.



because its healthy and looks better

This might be a reason while a person might want to undergo circumcision but is not a reason to infringe on one's right when they have no way to defend themselves.

BTW, looks better is subjective and mostly cultural (mostly cut societies will like the cut look better and mostly whole societies will like the whole look better), you tend to like what you are used to and not being circumcised is healthy too.



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sapphi_snake on 15 June 2011
Farmageddon said:
elticker said:


for sapphi do you use alcohol based gels alot for washing and soap ten tiems a day?

answer me adn i will tell you why i asked, same thign to vlad

lol, no one really uses alcohol gel for that, right? RIght?

Mind telling me what "that" is?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake on 15 June 2011
vlad321 said:

I mentined it earlier. People are very touching about their dicks. Even if some people weren't happy with it do you honestly think they would come out and admit that there is something wrong with their dicks? A much better measure is to look at how many grown men undergo circumcision purely out of choice.

This is quite true. The number is very small, and this is precisely why the pro-circumcision crowd wants to force this on infants.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)