3DS is an upgraded DS, but the PSP Vista is just an upgraded fat PSP.
Sony looks like they're charging into the next generation on horseback blindfolded, and there is a giant branch that their face is about to run into called Project Cafe; which is a very clear competitor.
I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.
Immortal said:
And people are criticizing Sony here because they used the exact same comments last generation and it shows that getting cocky is something they can't seem to get over, which is something of a major problem since it caused their crash this generation. Nintendo actually deserves less hate for something like this because it's the first time in recent history that they were even remotely offensive. They've actually said plenty of good stuff about their competitors here and there. Marketing doesn't have to involve trash-talking competitors, you know. |
how was what was said trash talk?
the sony rep said that ( in simple terms ) the ngp is better did you expect him to say otherwise?
regardless of what you believe it is a common practice for companies to downplay their opponents' offerings and hype their own ( how else would they raise awareness for their product and gain interest? )... the same happens for example in political campaigns
NYANKS said:
I was using that to shock people into reality. It was for anyone who has been here for any length of time and refuses to acknowledge what a PR department does. This is their JOB. He's not a "troll", this is an internet idea. His job is to spin things positively. If they were supposed to tell the exact objective truth and said this they would be in trouble. Since no company does this, after a while people should get the hint. As for my OPINION, I stated it was simply that. My opinion. I don't believe 3d is that big of a deal, a bit of interesting novelty. The touchpad and touch screen add a lot of depth to Sony's product that wasn't there with the PSP. I think mutiple control schemes and changes of that magnitude are more interesting. I'm not defending a corporate troll, that is just childish forum talk. I'm telling people to get a grip, how many times can you complain about the same thing, especially when it is so inane and obvious what's going on? |
exactly... i'm kind of wondering what people expected? maybe - buy the 3ds don't buy our handheld its stupid
| Nsanity said: "NGP's going to establish itself as the unique thing that people want to have. NGP cannot be placed against smartphones. You can't make phone calls on it and it's too big to fit into your pocket." |
He couldnt have actually said that. Why in the world would anyone want to own a handheld that will not fit in your pocket. That is setting the thing up for failure.
Getting an XBOX One for me is like being in a bad relationship but staying together because we have kids. XBone we have 20000+ achievement points, 2+ years of XBL Gold and 20000+ MS points. I think its best we stay together if only for the MS points.
Nintendo Treehouse is what happens when a publisher is confident and proud of its games and doesn't need to show CGI lies for five minutes.
-Jim Sterling
if the price is good, appealing games at launch and robust online play support. NGP would win the next-gen handheld race.
Joelcool7 said:
Brain Training was not a cheaply developed game. It used alot of science and a doctor's input. It took tons of data and work to create the game. Also Nintendogs was also not cheap have you seen the game visually it was stunning on both DS and 3DS. The game also has hundreds of hours of playability. Also Angry Birds and Cut the Rope are not what Sony or Nintendo are talking about. Both games were well developed. Infact Angry Birds as far as I know is coming to a Nintendo platform near you. What Nintendo and Sony are afraid of is the thousands of cheap Flash like games with little quality being made for a couple thousand dollars or less then sold at 99cents. Nintendo and Sony are afraid that the cheap phone games and internet games that lack substance and are made super low budget. That these poorly concieved titles will steal market share from the proffesionally made ones. This is a very scary idea, and Nintendo and Sony should both be scared. N-Space said themselves that they would make more money creating dozens to hundreds of cheaply made crappy phone games then to make their portable DS games. Other developers have also said that these cheaply made peices of crap are stealing their market share. EA and other publishers have begun investing in these cheap games. Creating more cheaply made crappy content. These cheaply made games then steal market share from the more expensive proffesionally made games. I'll attack a very popular game in a second. FarmVille is a perfect example. The game is a watered down and when I say watered down I mean bare bones basic version of Harvest Moon. However the game is free to play with users purchasing cheaply made content. This game is stealing hundreds of millions of users who might have paid 49.99$ for Harvest Moon. Harvest Moon a much more expensive and quality driven game doesn't have a chance at competing against this cheap free to play peice of crap. Now I have played FarmVille for a long time back when it first released. I played other FaceBook games they are truly addicting. But they are cheaply made and lack substance, I of course never stopped purchasing more expensive games. However I know people who game more on FaceBook or I-Phone then they do on consoles. These cheaply made bare bones experiances are stealing market share from the real game developers. Anyone who tries to argue FarmVille is a better and more expansive content driven game then Harvest Moon, needs to have their brain examined. These cheaply made games are damaging the industry and hurting developers bottom line. As for parity pricing, dude your nuts. Parity pricing means parity development costs. A Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony title costs millions more to develope than say Angry Birds. If you want to see their titles priced alongside Angry Birds then the quality of the games need to go down to be inline with Angry Birds. Think of God Of War Angry Birds style? Or how about Halo in Flash? Sure it may be fun to play a few hours. But the content just isn't their. Who would want to buy UnCharted in Flash? Sure it may be 99cents and about 7 levels long. It may last you an hour or two. Would you honestly want to see Resistance, Uncharted, Halo , KillZone, Banjo-Kazooie, SmashBros all brought down to Angry Birds level? If you would, then you are a very rare gamer. Most gamers are willing to and wanting to pay for the content to be of a higher quality! |
Wasn't brain training developed by a few guys who only had a few weeks to create a game? I have seen Nintendogs on DS and 3DS. I didn't think it looked all that great myself and I also don't think it has hundreds of hours of replayability but that is up to each persons opinion.
If it's something consumers are interested in I think they are fools for not supplying it. That market obviously exists and they can put their heads in the sand all they want that doesn't make it go away. They may well get in on the action.
Devs complain about piracy stealing thier sales too. Doesn't make it a terribly valid assumption.
EA is smart to invest in the mobile space and develop that market as opposed to being afraid of it. If they balance things out right it may be more beneficial to them in the long run.
If Harvest Moon cant compete with Farmville then Natsume need to address the things that make gamers go elsewhere instead of just complaining that other games exist and they can't compete. What is happening is the market is telling them exactly how much their games are worth. They can listen and adapt or die. This is business. Consumers put up with 49.99 content because there weren't many other options. Now the disparity between what people thought games were worth and what they actually are worth is being bridged and the market is respsonding.
The game industry as it is needs to die anyway. If they want to keep their jobs they must listen to the market. Otherwise they don't deserve to be around. This comes from someone who seeks to be a game developer himself.
As someone who commutes often I do wanna see most of those series become something I could better consume. As they are most of them don't interest me(sans SSB and Uncharted(though I have major misgivings about the way that series is evolving and I might not purchase U3 myself though GA seems like it may have more of the classic Uncharted elements I liked)). Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't high quality. This is a sales sight and these things are selling and making people money. Obvioulsy they are finding some quality there.
| NYANKS said: The insults are for anyone who has been here for any length of time and refuses to acknowledge what a PR department does. This is their JOB. He's not a "troll", this is an internet idea. His job is to spin things positively. If they were supposed to tell the exact objective truth and said this they would be in trouble. Since no company does this, after a while people should get the hint. As for my OPINION, I stated it was simply that. My opinion. I don't believe 3d is that big of a deal, a bit of interesting novelty. The touchpad and touch screen add a lot of depth to Sony's product that wasn't there with the PSP. I think mutiple control schemes and changes of that magnitude are more interesting. I'm not defending a corporate troll, that is just childish forum talk. I'm telling people to get a grip, how many times can you complain about the same thing, especially when it is so inane and obvious what's going on? |
Obviously *troll is an internet term, doesn't stop him from being one. If a poster said such things, they'd probably be moderated for it. The fact that you defend him makes you no better than he is.
You say it's his job to spin things positively, but all I see is negative trash talk about the competition's product. Petty.
As for your opinion, it's yours to have, I don't really care either way
Lastly, you're using how many times this sort of thing happens as defence that it's somehow ok and that no-one should complain? I don't know about you, but I think this sort of shameless bad-mouthing is wrong and is certainly nothing to be proud of
o_O.Q said:
how was what was said trash talk? the sony rep said that ( in simple terms ) the ngp is better did you expect him to say otherwise? regardless of what you believe it is a common practice for companies to downplay their opponents' offerings and hype their own ( how else would they raise awareness for their product and gain interest? )... the same happens for example in political campaigns |
He also said that the 3DS is an updated DS, remember? That is trash talk, or light trash talk, at least.
And, while I am well aware that it's common practice in business, with all of us being normal human consumers, I think it's quite reasonable for us to look down upon arrogance and downplaying the competition, if only because the consensus is that it's stupid and leads Sony nowhere.
“These are my principles; if you don’t like them, I have others.” – Groucho Marx
| irstupid said: How is the NGP or Vita not just an updated PSP? i agree that the 3ds is an updated ds, but the ngp is an updated psp |
NGP is an updated PS3 actually
(damn acronyms are making me confused)
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
| o_O.Q said: how was what was said trash talk? the sony rep said that ( in simple terms ) the ngp is better did you expect him to say otherwise? regardless of what you believe it is a common practice for companies to downplay their opponents' offerings and hype their own ( how else would they raise awareness for their product and gain interest? )... the same happens for example in political campaigns |
It is, in fact, trash talk. Not the worst I've seen but it's trash nonetheless
Just because it's common practice (according to you) does not mean that it isn't wrong
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