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I'm pretty sure Sony PR helped create one of the greatest stigmas in the industry; that Nintendo is for little kids.  I don't know why people feel the need to associate the inner workings of a company with PR.  The whole point of PR is to bullshit and cherry pick and put everything in a positive light for the company.  Why the hell do people associate a PR grunt with the arrogance of a corporation?  It's just talk.  The only way a company can show arrogance is if it does something tangible.....like charge 600 dollars for a machine.  THAT is arrogance. 

Even if his sentence was poorly worded, taking it out of context makes it seem worse.  His goal was to say that the Vita is in its own league, which I thoroughly understood.  He could have said it better in anticipation of the cherry picking media. 

And as for NGP being an updated PSP.....again this is PR.  Anyone expecting complete objective truths from PR of any company is quite frankly, a moron. 

Although, imo the tech changes from PSP to Vita are much greater than those from DS to 3DS.  The touchpad alone is a bigger difference to me. 

Nintendo created their own stigma, their image was and has always catered to children, they have expanded their market to the whole family now, but its of their choosing. 



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psrock said:
NYANKS said:

I'm pretty sure Sony PR helped create one of the greatest stigmas in the industry; that Nintendo is for little kids.  I don't know why people feel the need to associate the inner workings of a company with PR.  The whole point of PR is to bullshit and cherry pick and put everything in a positive light for the company.  Why the hell do people associate a PR grunt with the arrogance of a corporation?  It's just talk.  The only way a company can show arrogance is if it does something tangible.....like charge 600 dollars for a machine.  THAT is arrogance. 

Even if his sentence was poorly worded, taking it out of context makes it seem worse.  His goal was to say that the Vita is in its own league, which I thoroughly understood.  He could have said it better in anticipation of the cherry picking media. 

And as for NGP being an updated PSP.....again this is PR.  Anyone expecting complete objective truths from PR of any company is quite frankly, a moron. 

Although, imo the tech changes from PSP to Vita are much greater than those from DS to 3DS.  The touchpad alone is a bigger difference to me. 

Nintendo created their own stigma, their image was and has always catered to children, they have expanded their market to the whole family now, but its of their choosing. 

Really it was Sega that created the stigma. They did a favor for everyone who has followed in their footsteps and has had to compete against Nintendo



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Nsanity said:

Eurogamer

Sony doesn't see any clear competitor for its PlayStation Portable successor, codenamed the Next Generation Portable.

Why? Because it's so unique.

"There's no one clear competitor in terms of what NGP offers," Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony Computer Entertainment worldwide studios, told Eurogamer in an interview.

"NGP's going to establish itself as the unique thing that people want to have. NGP cannot be placed against smartphones. You can't make phone calls on it and it's too big to fit into your pocket."

"Compared to 3DS, it was very interesting – when we were designing the NGP we had no idea what Nintendo was going to do," Yoshida revealed.

"Aside from the 3D stereoscopic display, they seem to be keeping the same theme that they had with the DS – it feels like an update of the DS to me.

"Lots of choices we made were so different from their choices. It's kind of hard to compare the two, aside from the fact that both of them are dedicated gaming platforms."

But Yoshida said Sony and Nintendo had a common enemy: the cheap mobile game.

"We are dealing with the same issue that Nintendo is. It's up to content publishers, including ourselves, to show people that this is worth £25 or £30 as opposed to 59p.

"You cannot release the same content that you put on the iPhone for a dollar on to NGP or some other consoles and expect people to pay 20 times that."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-02-sony-no-clear-competitor-to-ngp

 

Well Sony, this is whack.

Since when is a portable device not fitting in your pocket a good thing? Since when is it a defining feature that you want to sell your product on? No offence but not being able to fit in your pocket is very bad at least for people that actually carry their console on their person. Sure some may put it in bags but many of us still like to carry the handhelds on our person, in pockets which makes the NGP/Vita innefficient not a selling feature.

As for the whole 3DS is just an upgrade of DS, yes it is but it has 3D and analog stick etc...etc... Much in the sense that NGP/Vita is a PSP with a touch screen and a few other features. Also both platforms being exclusive gaming platforms is more then enough to compare the two as competitors. Sony stop trying to avoid competition, this is like when Nintendo said Wii wasn't a competitor with PS3/360 sure the consoles are different but they are competing for the same dollars. A gamer is going to choose a NGP/Vita or a 3DS meaning that they are competing for that gamers money which essentially makes them competition.

Sony goes on to admit this saying they are facing the same challenge Nintendo is. Cheap phone games, now how could Sony not competing with Nintendo or phones be competing with phone games cheap prices? Fact is all game companies and hardware manufacturers are competing with one another. Regardless of whether its a gaming console or a gaming phone. Indirect competition is competition, also the 3DS is direct competition Sony, regardless of how you slice it 3DS and Vita/NGP are direct competitors!



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Sony's key problem is arrogant wankery in the upper management. You're never going to get anywhere if you honestly believe that all your competitors are in fact not competitors.




A) "There's no one clear competitor in terms of what NGP offers," Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony Computer Entertainment worldwide studios, told Eurogamer in an interview.

 B)But Yoshida said Sony and Nintendo had a common enemy: the cheap mobile game.

C)"We are dealing with the same issue that Nintendo is. It's up to content publishers, including ourselves, to show people that this is worth £25 or £30 as opposed to 59p.

D)"You cannot release the same content that you put on the iPhone for a dollar on to NGP or some other consoles and expect people to pay 20 times that."


A) Pretty true. NGP should be a portable powerhouse.  I can't even see devices larger than it producing bettter graphics(other than dedicated home consoles).  At least not until ipad 3 or 4.  It's also got more methods of input than those devices to boot.  The only worry for me is B,C,&D.

B)Brain Training was a cheap mobile game and I don't think it's anyones enemy.  The same could be said of Nintendogs and look at the success they catapulted the DS to. Angry Birds, Tiny Wings, Cut the Rope... again and again consumers show they love this type of content and Sony viewing this type of content as an enemy does have me scared.

C)Very true though I don't think they should be selling portable games for 30 Euros.  9.99to 29.99 dollars should be the limit as far as I'm concerned.

D)Does this mean price parity with iOS?  I most certainly hope so.  If that is the case irrespective of their fear of such content they should be able to get it on the platform which will be a boon to them and many games probably greatly improved by buttons.  Somehow the previous comments don't quite lead me to believe that though...



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i dont understand what the problem is.

name me any other portable system running a game equivelent to uncharted or wipeout 2048 (or whatever year it is) that has a control scheme which rivals the dualshock 3.

see....no clear competitor.

ofcourse there are alternatives but not as powerful and none will even get close to NGP's online play except maybe the 3ds. I can see like 10m people on NGP racking up hundreds of hours each on COD online....i really cant see that on any other portable.



The NGP is coming along very well and when if it launches for a reasonable price it WILL outsell the 3DS.

But SONY PR haven't learnt anything, this isn't the first time they have done this and make absolute fools of themselves. The product might be great but if you advertise and push it you are going to look like MORONS when it doesn't sell.



LivingMetal said:

This sounds like Microsoft claiming Nintendo wasn't a competitor at the start of last gen and this gen.  And we saw what happened.

I remember it being Sony more vocal on that front actually.



 

Rath said:

Sony's key problem is arrogant wankery in the upper management. You're never going to get anywhere if you honestly believe that all your competitors are in fact not competitors.

I don't know; it is better to view the market as a fight against disintrest in games. If Sony made more amazing games that people want to buy, and so did Nintendo, the total market would expand, it's not really that one takes share from the other.

The best corporate attitude to take is that your product doesn't just have to be better than the others, it has to be the best it possibly can be to get current non-gamers on to your platform. For example, Nintendo could reason that there with Mario all they have to do is be slightly better that Ratchet and Clank/LBP platforming to 'win'. But their success comes from the fact they don't bother to look at what Sony does when they design a Mario game.



I don't care much for handhelds but the Nintendo fans need to realize how ridiculous they sound trying to pretend the 3DS is so not an updated DS. The NGP looks like an updated PSP by design, but the touch screen and the back grip thing definetely gives it enough credit to stand on its own much like the jump from gameboy advance/SP to the DS.

Which just brings up the question, is the NGP just a one screen DSi XL with crazy uber graphics? I leave it up to you :)