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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
cyberninja45 said:

Even if the ps4 and xbox720 is 100x more powerful than the ps3 now, what will they do with it?

U would see ants crawling on the ground?  Enemies would feel emotions?  Things would explode into more pieces?

 

 

 


maybe real world physics,AI and perfect 1 to 1 body and face motion.also Full HD 3D and powerful graphics that would blow your eyes if it would be 100x more powerful.



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NJ5 on 01 June 2011
cyberninja45 said:

Even if the ps4 and xbox720 is 100x more powerful than the ps3 now, what will they do with it?

U would see ants crawling on the ground?  Enemies would feel emotions?  Things would explode into more pieces?

 

 

 

100x more powerful, they might be able to start using real-time ray tracing, which gives much better graphics than the current "rastering" methods, and with easier programming to boot...



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pariz on 01 June 2011

After entirely reading this thread I just got to say that...

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Viper1 on 01 June 2011
brazylianwisnia said:
Viper1 said:
brazylianwisnia said:

You watched the Samaritian(or some similiar name) tech demo.PC have to have 3xGTX580 to run it smoothly.but that's PC.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-trailer-samaritan/711467

Without Hardware support of latest effects Cafe won't make it.

It required 3 GTX 580's to run THAT smoothly.  It doesn't require 3 GTX580's to run UE3.5 itself.   Think Bulletstorm vs Unreal Tournament 3.  You need a much more capable PC to un the former than the latter despite both being on Unreal Engine 3.

Again, if the game is developed with the UE3.5 engine and Project Cafe doesn't ultize shader operations that match DX11, it will simply revert to the shader operations the console uses (which would seem to closely match up with DX10.1).

But again, a console doesn't even need to utilize the Direct3D API.  PS3 doesn't yet runs UE3 games.


UE 3.95 not 3.5.there isn't even one game made on 3.95.this tech demo required 3xGTX580 not the engine itself.

UE3.5 or 3.95, doens't matter...same thing.  It technically doesn't even have a designator number yet.  As for the second part of your post, that's exactly what I just said.



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glimmer_of_hope on 01 June 2011
padib said:

Nice posts play4fun, the PS2 to Xbox analogy for Cafe to PS4 really works, especially given what Viper1 mentioned on the capabilities being common accross all platforms (to a less or greater extent). If Nintendo was absolutely brilliant, this is what they would have foreseen all along. That come this time, not much more would be significant in terms of graphics power and the cost to upgrade would be relatively cheap.

One thing I find brilliant about Nintendo here, if it was intentional though, is that, while PS and XBOX players are all expecting more core, less casual, and anything less would be infamy, Nintendo consumers are less expectant, and will be very pleased when Nintendo fills the huge gap. It's an expectation thing, and that's very important in the world of Business. While everyone expects Nintendo to focus on casual, they can only be surprised for the better when the new vision comes into being.

About the performance debate, I think it's becoming more important to discuss 3D (two 1080p images), and the possibility of serving multiple devices with HD resolution (the cafe controller) when arguing performance, as I believe that is a real challenge for devices to output reliably at steady rates. Correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, OP, I love this thread, and don't care about people saying you look like a newb. At least you bring something creative to the table and it's interesting. What do they bring?

Thanks :) I am just trying to see things differently. This is something that Nintendo could have been planning all along. I'm not into starting fights and i'm not a fanboy or noobicus maximus. You are 100% right about what you wrote. That was one of my points, there are so many that i cannot write them down because i'm too busy defending myself lolz. The people that are attacking me are blind to the fact that the next generation coming up, WILL NOT BE THAT FAR ADVANCED THEN THIS ONE. We are pretty much maxed out....except for the 3D thing and Frames Per Second. It will be very easy for Nintendo to make a par console with PS4 and Nextbox. And even if the twins are more advanced, it won't be by that much. Thats just fact...what are the twins going to do? Make games at resolutions of Ultra Hi Def...those televisions will not be out for 10 years ! I haven't even mentioned that Nintendo will be bringing Sterscopic 3D to their console...the glasses free version like 3DS. Nintendo made a prototype of Luigis Mansion that way...so they will do it.



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LordTheNightKnight on 01 June 2011
Xen said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"use that money to build the next generation console that will blow people away, bringing your fan base with you"

The problem is that assumes the fanbase is that loyal, and the N64 showed a fanbase will not follow a console if they don't like the direction compared to the console that won them over.


Yes but remember the PS1 came out before N64. All fans were stunned with a brand new console brand AND a real console rocking a CD drive... This will be the opposite. Nintendo will be out first with the bells and whistles this time. All games 1080p and 60fps for the first time. A controller that will do.....um.....whatever it will do for the first time.


What? Gamers did not flock to the CD drive, or to bells and whistles. Third parties flock to those, but gamers flock to games. That's always been the case. The PS1 had better games with more appeal. That was how they beat Nintendo twice in a row. The tables turned this gen, but Nintendo going back to bells and whistles is what alienated gamers two generations in a row.

So acting like they will flock to this system, when history shows the opposite reaction to bells and whistles (games still sold the HD systems, not the HD graphics) just shows the same ignorance of gaming history that Nintendo is showing.

I always come to these threads late, and there's always an opinion to agree with. This one.


I mean, sales speak for themselves. While Heavy Rain had flashier graphics (this is just to prove my point about sales versus graphics), Red Dead Redemption sold way better just using the older GTA IV level of graphics. And the Crysis series isn't exactly flopping, but it's not tearing up the charts in any way, even though it's considered the premier series for graphics now.



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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011

so basicly my opinion is that either Cafe:

1.Will be high end to match next gens and if it will have rumored controllers thane 499$ is certian

2.Will be retarded technologicaly in terms of technology in 2012 and at price point 349$.

Either way it's hard to predict what will casuals say and how will it stand in terms of sale to much cheaper PS3/X360 and how will it stand the test of time.3rd parties will support it early and the sales of first multiplatforms on Cafe will show the 3rd parties how much money should they invest in Cafe.

Nintendo fans will buy the console for sure but's that only about 15mln people.HD twins fans won't buy it because it won't offer AAA 18 exclusives(you know what i mean GOW etc) because Nintendo won't destroy it's family friendly look.It will be very hard to interest casuals once again because motion gameing moves no one today cause every company will offer it.

The most difficult for Nintendo is that they start long before competition(wii was showed simultanosly) and if they will have briliant idea other companies will copy it from start adapting it to their concept.

This gen will probably sale very close each other.I predict 130mln Wiis 115mln PS3 100mln X360 when last console production line will be shut for good(around 2017-2018 i supose ).So this gen will bring money to all 3 and for long time as ps2 gave profits sony even today and for us it's perfect situation in terms of fighting for consumers.I supose that next gens should also sell close to each one up to 40mln spread max.



brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
Xen said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"use that money to build the next generation console that will blow people away, bringing your fan base with you"

The problem is that assumes the fanbase is that loyal, and the N64 showed a fanbase will not follow a console if they don't like the direction compared to the console that won them over.


Yes but remember the PS1 came out before N64. All fans were stunned with a brand new console brand AND a real console rocking a CD drive... This will be the opposite. Nintendo will be out first with the bells and whistles this time. All games 1080p and 60fps for the first time. A controller that will do.....um.....whatever it will do for the first time.


What? Gamers did not flock to the CD drive, or to bells and whistles. Third parties flock to those, but gamers flock to games. That's always been the case. The PS1 had better games with more appeal. That was how they beat Nintendo twice in a row. The tables turned this gen, but Nintendo going back to bells and whistles is what alienated gamers two generations in a row.

So acting like they will flock to this system, when history shows the opposite reaction to bells and whistles (games still sold the HD systems, not the HD graphics) just shows the same ignorance of gaming history that Nintendo is showing.

I always come to these threads late, and there's always an opinion to agree with. This one.


I mean, sales speak for themselves. While Heavy Rain had flashier graphics (this is just to prove my point about sales versus graphics), Red Dead Redemption sold way better just using the older GTA IV level of graphics. And the Crysis series isn't exactly flopping, but it's not tearing up the charts in any way, even though it's considered the premier series for graphics now.

Of course it's true that gameplay is most important.Very ugly looking GTA:SA prooved it on PS2.But more power is not only graphics.Red Dead,Fallout,Battlefield:BC,Assassins Creed,LA Noire,Little Big Planet and many many more games wasn't possible on PS2 in the way we know these games.i expect not only graphics but mostly super physics,much better AI,1 to 1 body motion, truly realistics weather conditions(not only graphicaly but physicaly where water and snow gather,wind influence every object etc) because that's what can inspire devs for new games and give changes in gameplay.



NJ5 on 01 June 2011
brazylianwisnia said:

HD twins fans won't buy it because it won't offer AAA 18 exclusives(you know what i mean GOW etc) because Nintendo won't destroy it's family friendly look.

You have just jumped the shark with this comment.



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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
NJ5 said:
brazylianwisnia said:

HD twins fans won't buy it because it won't offer AAA 18 exclusives(you know what i mean GOW etc) because Nintendo won't destroy it's family friendly look.

You have just jumped the shark with this comment.

sorry but i don't understand what you mean :/

I meant that i didn't saw games from Nintendo that are brutal like God/Gears of War also the games like Uncharted,Infamous,Halo,GT,Forza etc.

They make famili friendly games that sell 15 to 30mln units and only insane would change police that gave you mountains of money.