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LivingMetal on 31 May 2011
Galaki said:
LivingMetal said:
PakChiuCheng said:

Admit it. Most of you who are happy that Sony are being hacked and encourage this behaviour, defending the hackers are just fanboys of your respective consoles (Xbox/Wii)

QFT

Nobody here is defending the hacking. Just because people don't agree with Sony's bullying practices does not mean we are against them.


If it's not referring to you, don't worry about it.



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Kasz216 on 01 June 2011
dsister said:
o_O.Q said:

lmfao telling the truth about how hackers messed up psn is defending? if anyone at all says anything at all negative about hackers you jump on them isn't that defending?

Nah, I jump on misinformation that I see. Mugen blaming all hackers for everything, and you saying a game that I heard was pretty playable being unplayable. 

I'll defend Geohotz though. 

Here, I'll give you the rundown on my feelings on the hackers that sprung up because of the Sony thing

Geohotz: I think Sony should lay off of him. He didn't do anything illegal, and should be treated that way 
Fail_0verfl0w(spelling?): Cool guys, pretty much left alone by Sony, which was good 
Graf_Chokolo(?): His house was raided just for talking about hacking... He should have been left alone 
Opsony: Not hackers, but I'll throw them on the list. Annoying kids that resorted to pranks and DDoS attacks. Just got in the way. Don't really care about them one way or the other
Phantom: Hackers that should get thrown in jail. Stealing thousands of people's personal info. 
Lulzsec: I'm hoping they are just blowing smoke, but they deserve prison time for what they did to PBS and Fox 


I would cosign all that.



Kasz216 on 01 June 2011
Rpruett said:

Kasz216 said:

 

It's called wikipedia bro.

 

"The disadvantage is that there is no protection once information protected as trade secret is uncovered by others through reverse engineering, for example, whereas patent has a guaranteed time of protection in exchange for disclosing the information to the public."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret#Definition

 

Again,  follow the rabbit trail a bit further.  I posted information before that you obviously missed or intentionally missed relating to specifically that.  Your selective reading is funny however.

 

§ 1832. Theft of trade secrets
(a) Whoever, with intent to convert a trade secret, that is related to or included in a product that is produced for or placed in interstate or foreign commerce, to the economic benefit of anyone other than the owner thereof, and intending or knowing that the offense will, injure any owner of that trade secret, knowingly—

(1) steals, or without authorization appropriates, takes, carries away, or conceals, or by fraud, artifice, or deception obtains such information;

(2) without authorization copies, duplicates, sketches, draws, photographs, downloads, uploads, alters, destroys, photocopies, replicates, transmits, delivers, sends, mails, communicates, or conveys such information;

(3) receives, buys, or possesses such information, knowing the same to have been stolen or appropriated, obtained, or converted without authorization;

(4) attempts to commit any offense described in paragraphs (1) through (3); or

(5) conspires with one or more other persons to commit any offense described in paragraphs (1) through (3), and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,
shall, except as provided in subsection (b), be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(b) Any organization that commits any offense described in subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $5,000,000.

 

 
The Uniform Trade Secrets Act (UTSA) is a model law drafted by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to better define rights and remedies of common law trade secret. It has been adopted by 46 states, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Texas have not adopted the UTSA

The act defines trade secret as information, including formula, pattern, compilation, program, device, method, technique, or process that:

(i) derives independent economic value, actual or potential, from not being generally known to, and not being readily ascertainable by proper means by, other persons who can obtain economic value from its disclosure or use, and(ii) is the subject of efforts that are reasonable under the circumstances to maintain its secrecy.

 

 

Trade secrets only deal with employees... and only when those employees sign Non-disclosure acts.

No...They don't.  In fact, no where in the legal definition will you find anything like that.  You're pulling that out of your ass.  It simply has to be something that isn't readily obtainable by the general public.  (Which let's face it,  this wasn't at all). 

 

Though yeah... Companies sue people and get their way even when they're in the wrong ALL THE TIME. 

Again, Geohotz easily could have defended himself from this witch hunt (Especially with all the internet White Knights up in arms over it).  Then again,  there was some truth and dirt with the accusations that Sony levied and Geohot and his attorney knew it and took the easiest out they could.  

Sony gets rid of Geohot jailbreaking their systems publicly and Geohot doesn't have to continue playing a game of charades.

 


Geohotz took a trade secret from Sony and that is why the case went the way it did.


No he didn't... and the case went the way it did because Sony knew they were going to lose.

Again, he reverse engineered it.  This is legal.

Your trying to stretch things to definitions that do not fit... and clearly do not fit.  Those only count if he breaks into Sony to do so or tries hacking into their mainframes.

Sony GAVE him the keys with his system.  He just reverse engineered the system to look at them.

One way you can tell this is.... Sony's lawsuit does not mention trade secrets.

 

They sued him for copyright infringement breaking the terms of his PSN account and "Computer abuse act"... which by the way is one of the charges being levied against Sony it the other OS case.

 

and were caught with there pants down when they found out that he didn't even have a PSN account... which would of got rid of the Computer abuse act charge as well since it's California only...

 

So they would of been left with one charge... where the only ruling ever... was against them... and it would of been in New Jersey rather then California... where judges and politicians tend to get a bit more political money from software companies... what silicon valley and all.




deskpro2k3 on 01 June 2011
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?


kasz216, you're just not seeing the big picture here. I can't help you any more than that.

 

 



Galaki on 01 June 2011

So, what's the update on this alledged attack?



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FreeTalkLive on 01 June 2011
o_O.Q said:
FreeTalkLive said:

Of course, the company doesn't deserve to be destroyed.  Though, Sony has wronged everyone that bought a PS3 before Sony tried to ruin the experince.  At the very least, Sony should give everyone that was damaged $200.  Until Sony does that, I'm not going to feel sorry for Sony.  If you try to make life hard on your customers, if you promise things and then take them away, don't except me to care if people get mad and try to bring about justice.


how did sony wrong you?

I bought a product from Sony and then Sony went and completely changed the product after I bought it.



 

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Kasz216 on 01 June 2011
deskpro2k3 said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?


kasz216, you're just not seeing the big picture here. I can't help you any more than that.

No... i'd suggest you don't see the big picture.



The Fury on 01 June 2011
FreeTalkLive said:
o_O.Q said:
FreeTalkLive said:

Of course, the company doesn't deserve to be destroyed.  Though, Sony has wronged everyone that bought a PS3 before Sony tried to ruin the experince.  At the very least, Sony should give everyone that was damaged $200.  Until Sony does that, I'm not going to feel sorry for Sony.  If you try to make life hard on your customers, if you promise things and then take them away, don't except me to care if people get mad and try to bring about justice.


how did sony wrong you?

I bought a product from Sony and then Sony went and completely changed the product after I bought it.

How so? What did they change on that product that makes it so that you no longer want to/can use it in the way it was designed for? Or that you deserve $200 in compensation ( an entire 2 thirds of the current cost of the machine)?



Hmm, pie.

Jay520 on 01 June 2011

I agree with The Fury.

Sony should refund every PS3 owner that used Other OS. They would probably refund a very small amount of people.

Sony would probably refund a grand total of less than one-million dollars. Now every affected PS3 owner is compensated for their loss.



Galaki on 01 June 2011

The major lesson for Sony: Do not mess with Linux fans. They have the skills to fight back.



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