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In his book "Nazis On The Run: How Hitler's Henchmen Fled Europe" Gerald Steinacher, a research fellow from Harvard University, sheds light on just how thousands of Nazis managed to evade detection and start a new life.

Steinacher based much of his book on unpublished documents held by the Red Cross that revealed a system struggling to cope with the millions of displaced people in post-war Europe, and one that could be exploited by fleeing Nazis.

The historian estimates the some 8,000 SS men managed to escape to Britain and Canada alone using documents issued to them by the Red Cross by mistake.

But most fleeing war criminals either headed to Franco's Spain or South America.

While the Red Cross provided inadvertent help, the Vatican, the book claims, may have provided more considered help for Nazis desperate to avoid prison or the gallows. Owing to a desire to revive a Christian Europe or out of a morbid fear of the Soviet Union, the Vatican, through its refugee commission, said Mr Steinacher, provided leading war criminals with false identity papers.

The Red Cross also depended upon Vatican references where issuing travel documents.

The Vatican has always refused to comment on its wartime activities and has kept its archive closed to the public.

 

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/8539981/Red-Cross-and-the-Vatican-helped-thousands-of-Nazis-escape.html

 

Doesn't surprize me.



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The Vaticans role in WWII has always looked a little shady.



Rath said:

The Vaticans role in WWII has always looked a little shady.

Tell me about it. Then again, you can't expect much from an organization that protects and encourages paedophiles.



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Wait....

Why would the Vatican help SS men flee? Tha Nazis tried to suppress religion and fell out with the RC Church big time. And if the church was frightened of Stalin, then how would sending SS men to South America and Spain help?



S____M____C____C said:

Wait....

Why would the Vatican help SS men flee? Tha Nazis tried to suppress religion and fell out with the RC Church big time. And if the church was frightened of Stalin, then how would sending SS men to South America and Spain help?

The relations between the RCC and the Nazis wasn't as bad as you may think. The RCC hated Communists much more than it did Nazis. Not to mention that the RCC is responsable for most of the anti-Jewish sentiment present in Western Europe (it's based on religious arguments for most people). The Holocaust is something the RCC would've loved to do itself when it had actual political power.



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sapphi_snake said:
S____M____C____C said:

Wait....

Why would the Vatican help SS men flee? Tha Nazis tried to suppress religion and fell out with the RC Church big time. And if the church was frightened of Stalin, then how would sending SS men to South America and Spain help?

The relations between the RCC and the Nazis wasn't as bad as you may think. The RCC hated Communists much more than it did Nazis. Not to mention that the RCC is responsable for most of the anti-Jewish sentiment present in Western Europe (it's based on religious arguments for most people). The Holocaust is something the RCC would've loved to do itself when it had actual political power.

Maybe in Germany, but in Italy for example there was quite an uproar in the Catholic church when Mussolini began to adopt anti-Semitism.

I'm not sure I believe this that much though. How could a few SS men (who didn't believe in the values of religion) possibly stop the Soviets by fleeing?

Anyway, there's no doubt a lot that went on back then that we don't know about. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the RC Church was indeed as twisted as you make out.  



S____M____C____C said:
sapphi_snake said:
S____M____C____C said:

Wait....

Why would the Vatican help SS men flee? Tha Nazis tried to suppress religion and fell out with the RC Church big time. And if the church was frightened of Stalin, then how would sending SS men to South America and Spain help?

The relations between the RCC and the Nazis wasn't as bad as you may think. The RCC hated Communists much more than it did Nazis. Not to mention that the RCC is responsable for most of the anti-Jewish sentiment present in Western Europe (it's based on religious arguments for most people). The Holocaust is something the RCC would've loved to do itself when it had actual political power.

Maybe in Germany, but in Italy for example there was quite an uproar in the Catholic church when Mussolini began to adopt anti-Semitism.

I'm not sure I believe this that much though. How could a few SS men (who didn't believe in the values of religion) possibly stop the Soviets by fleeing?

Anyway, there's no doubt a lot that went on back then that we don't know about. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the RC Church was indeed as twisted as you make out.  

The RCC wasn't as appalled by the anti-semitism as you think (especially considering that it's an organiyation which has dedicated centuries to persecuting Jews).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
S____M____C____C said:
sapphi_snake said:
S____M____C____C said:

Wait....

Why would the Vatican help SS men flee? Tha Nazis tried to suppress religion and fell out with the RC Church big time. And if the church was frightened of Stalin, then how would sending SS men to South America and Spain help?

The relations between the RCC and the Nazis wasn't as bad as you may think. The RCC hated Communists much more than it did Nazis. Not to mention that the RCC is responsable for most of the anti-Jewish sentiment present in Western Europe (it's based on religious arguments for most people). The Holocaust is something the RCC would've loved to do itself when it had actual political power.

Maybe in Germany, but in Italy for example there was quite an uproar in the Catholic church when Mussolini began to adopt anti-Semitism.

I'm not sure I believe this that much though. How could a few SS men (who didn't believe in the values of religion) possibly stop the Soviets by fleeing?

Anyway, there's no doubt a lot that went on back then that we don't know about. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the RC Church was indeed as twisted as you make out.  

The RCC wasn't as appalled by the anti-semitism as you think (especially considering that it's an organiyation which has dedicated centuries to persecuting Jews).

In some places the church was. In Italy the Pope personally protested against Mussolini for passed some racial laws!



S____M____C____C said:
sapphi_snake said:
S____M____C____C said:
sapphi_snake said:
S____M____C____C said:

Wait....

Why would the Vatican help SS men flee? Tha Nazis tried to suppress religion and fell out with the RC Church big time. And if the church was frightened of Stalin, then how would sending SS men to South America and Spain help?

The relations between the RCC and the Nazis wasn't as bad as you may think. The RCC hated Communists much more than it did Nazis. Not to mention that the RCC is responsable for most of the anti-Jewish sentiment present in Western Europe (it's based on religious arguments for most people). The Holocaust is something the RCC would've loved to do itself when it had actual political power.

Maybe in Germany, but in Italy for example there was quite an uproar in the Catholic church when Mussolini began to adopt anti-Semitism.

I'm not sure I believe this that much though. How could a few SS men (who didn't believe in the values of religion) possibly stop the Soviets by fleeing?

Anyway, there's no doubt a lot that went on back then that we don't know about. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the RC Church was indeed as twisted as you make out.  

The RCC wasn't as appalled by the anti-semitism as you think (especially considering that it's an organiyation which has dedicated centuries to persecuting Jews).

In some places the church was. In Italy the Pope personally protested against Mussolini for passed some racial laws!

That was just for show. Their actions, such as helping Nazis escape legal punishment, prove otherwise.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Surprising, it is not. The Catholic church is the most vile among all of Christianity.