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Rath on 20 May 2011
HappySqurriel said:

While I think this is an appropriate move in the long run, I don't support a move like this until terrorist strikes and smuggling of weapons has been stopped for at least 5 years.


The lack of a peace agreement is a large cause of the terrorist strikes and smuggling of weapons.



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Kasz216 on 20 May 2011
Rath said:
MrBubbles said:
Rath said:
MrBubbles said:

why does everyone ive seen discussing this topic, regardless of which side they are on, completely forget to say he said with land swaps.  the 1967 borders are to be used as a rough marker for how much land should be swapped for whatever the israelis will keep.   i mean...it was one sentence even...and everyone stops listening after the first half of it?

Land swaps are going to happen, that's simple fact. But the important part of the sentence wasn't the bit about land swaps, it was calling for the borders to be based around the 1967 ones.


what other borders do you think they would use as a basis?

Israel seems keen on using the idea of 1967 borders minus the land they've grabbed since.


That's still a "basis" though.  You said it yourself... the 1967 borders (basis) going from there.

It seems like the Usual "say one thing" but not really say it.



Mr Khan on 20 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
MrBubbles said:
Rath said:
MrBubbles said:

why does everyone ive seen discussing this topic, regardless of which side they are on, completely forget to say he said with land swaps.  the 1967 borders are to be used as a rough marker for how much land should be swapped for whatever the israelis will keep.   i mean...it was one sentence even...and everyone stops listening after the first half of it?

Land swaps are going to happen, that's simple fact. But the important part of the sentence wasn't the bit about land swaps, it was calling for the borders to be based around the 1967 ones.


what other borders do you think they would use as a basis?

Israel seems keen on using the idea of 1967 borders minus the land they've grabbed since.


That's still a "basis" though.  You said it yourself... the 1967 borders (basis) going from there.

But "the land they grabbed since" is a total butchery of the Six Days' borders. They'd have to land swap a helluva lot of Israel to equalize



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Kasz216 on 20 May 2011
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
MrBubbles said:
Rath said:
MrBubbles said:

why does everyone ive seen discussing this topic, regardless of which side they are on, completely forget to say he said with land swaps.  the 1967 borders are to be used as a rough marker for how much land should be swapped for whatever the israelis will keep.   i mean...it was one sentence even...and everyone stops listening after the first half of it?

Land swaps are going to happen, that's simple fact. But the important part of the sentence wasn't the bit about land swaps, it was calling for the borders to be based around the 1967 ones.


what other borders do you think they would use as a basis?

Israel seems keen on using the idea of 1967 borders minus the land they've grabbed since.


That's still a "basis" though.  You said it yourself... the 1967 borders (basis) going from there.

But "the land they grabbed since" is a total butchery of the Six Days' borders. They'd have to land swap a helluva lot of Israel to equalize

Yeah... but Obama didn't really say that.  He said

1) The 1967 borders are a basis going foward.

2) There should be landswaps.

 

Nowhere did he say "There should be 1 for 1 landswaps."

It could be "2 for 1" or "3 for 1" (which I believe is what the leaked papers suggested the PA was going to do?)

Could be 5 for 1.



MrBubbles on 20 May 2011
superchunk said:

Guys don't argue with bubbles on this. I have many times and its pointless. He is so biased towards the thieves that he cannot see what they have stolen.

 

you come in attack me and then call the jews thieves? youre married to a palestinian, so maybe you should recheck whos biased.   i have no personal attachments in any of these conflicts, allowing me perfectly clear thought on the subject.



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vlad321 on 20 May 2011
MrBubbles said:
superchunk said:

Guys don't argue with bubbles on this. I have many times and its pointless. He is so biased towards the thieves that he cannot see what they have stolen.

 

you come in attack me and then call the jews thieves? youre married to a palestinian, so maybe you should recheck whos biased.   i have no personal attachments in any of these conflicts, allowing me perfectly clear thought on the subject.

Funny, I have no stake in either nation's wellbeing and your extreme irrational bias is as plain as black on white.



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menx64 on 20 May 2011

about time...



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MrBubbles on 20 May 2011
vlad321 said:
MrBubbles said:
superchunk said:

Guys don't argue with bubbles on this. I have many times and its pointless. He is so biased towards the thieves that he cannot see what they have stolen.

 

you come in attack me and then call the jews thieves? youre married to a palestinian, so maybe you should recheck whos biased.   i have no personal attachments in any of these conflicts, allowing me perfectly clear thought on the subject.

Funny, I have no stake in either nation's wellbeing and your extreme irrational bias is as plain as black on white.

thats because youre a bigot.  anyone who doesnt agree with you must be crazy right?  none of you people have any positions that could be put forward...only your pathetic desire to start personal attacks on me.  its just disgusting and it only proves how sad all your stances are.



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MrBubbles on 20 May 2011

i also enjoy how anyone talking about the right of return doesnt even mention the jews who were forced out of muslims countries.  where is their compensation? where is their right of return?



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MrBubbles on 20 May 2011

why do the arab countries refuse to even give rights to the "palestinians" in their territory?  the just shove them all into ghettos.  they caused their plight with their invasions and telling people leave and return once the jews have been exterminated.   why are there UN funded refugee for the past 60 years in the west bank?  they wont even take responsibilty for their own people in their own territory.  even jordan doesnt want anything to do with them and the jordanians and the palestinians are the same people.



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