o_O.Q said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
o_O.Q said:
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1. in the suing of geohot they were suing the person responsible for posting the keys to the ps3 online, the person whos actions caused the piracy and cheating online so yes they were attacking a threat
2. "Sony could have found a viable way to keep Linux and make its honest users happy" how, since linux itself was what was exploited ( do you really think its that simple to say they should have found another way? )? originally linux was what allowed the hackers to break in so it was removed
3. with regards to this lets say for example that piracy or online cheating is water coming through a leak and the leak can be the exploit in question... taking a sponge and removing some of the water will work to a certain extent but unless the source is patched it is pointless... as i said it makes absolutely no sense to go after the pirates on an individual basis if the exploit is still there continuously allowing others to join in the activity
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1. That is what they state, but in a lot of other cases, like phones jailbreaking, courts ruled there were legit uses for the hacks, and we know there are also for GeoHot's one.
2. Pirates used Linux to break through because there was a vulnerability in the way Sony implemented OtherOS, the right thing to do was removing that vulnerability, as they would have been forced to do so if the vulnerability were in a subsystem essential for gaming or movie playing, for example. Moreover, once Sony produced millions vulnerable PS3s, removing Linux from successively produced ones was totally pointless, pirates just need old unpatched consoles to crack the security and also to study without problems every other subsystem, looking for other vulnerabilities in parts Sony just can't remove. Sony closed the stable door after the horse has bolted.
3. Responsibility is individual, not collective so Sony really hasn't choice about it, you can't interrupt water supply to everybody because in some homes there are leaks. But Sony hasn't just the instrument of suing pirates, it can kick them out of its networks without the need of suing, for breach of the rules that everybody wanting to access them must explicitly accept (much stronger and enforceable obligation than EULAs).
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1. what does the court have to do with it the point is that they were attacking a threat to their security
2. maybe the best or only way to remove the vulnerability was the complete removal of other os i'm no hacker so i'm not sure all i can say is that i prefer its removal to going online to play my games and having morons ruin it
3. "it can kick them out of its networks without the need of suing" thats not the point here geohot and the people who were providing the leaks or exploits weren't offensive because they messed with the online system directly but because of the exploits they provided which when altered allowed the cheaters and pirates to get online
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1. Because it wasn't GeoHot the pirate using the hack to attack them, he made it for legit purposes and can't be blamed for non legit ones
2. Your solution would mean removing every vulnerable subsystem, you could end up just bricking the consoles if enough holes are found, this way. And I too don't like cheating morons.
3. Ways to check consoles and games for unauthorized mods to kick away cheaters exist, other companies always use them in their networks. But they must always keep their security up to date to do it. Fact is, the fight against pirates, malicious hackers and cheaters must never stop, it doesn't exist anything like ultimate security: don't you remember the countless times in the past MS claimed to have reached it, just to see Windows mercilessly pierced shortly afterwards? Security enforcing is a job with no rest and no end. Limiting honest users rights to achieve this goal is simply another wrong and ineffective method, its unrecoverable flaw and original sin is that it's just a wrongly assumed shortcut to reach that unreachable goal, the inexistent ultimate security. I can also give you the closest analogy: security teams in casinos, they never stop and never rest, their only effective weapon is continuously observing and studying gamblers, trying to spot cheaters hiding amongst them, because as soon as they learn and effectively counter any cheating tecnique, cheaters will devise new ones. But no casino ever thought it could reach ultimate security forcing gamblers to wear short sleeved shirts and trousers and jackets with no pockets. Or to play naked.
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