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flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

flyingforce said:

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lol at calling geohotz honest

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

thats bull, he is one of those losers that idolize rappers he did it for the attention and to be "bad ass" he knew his hack would be used for piracy and cheats 99 out of 100 times and he didn't care not to mention him distributing Sony's code illegally modified to be ripe for cheats and piracy 


Absolutely not bull. Until proven guilty of what you accuse him of, he's innocent. And actually nobody, not even Sony, ever pressed against him charges of piracy or complicity with pirates.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

flyingforce said:

[...]

lol at calling geohotz honest

 

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

thats bull, he is one of those losers that idolize rappers he did it for the attention and to be "bad ass" he knew his hack would be used for piracy and cheats 99 out of 100 times and he didn't care not to mention him distributing Sony's code illegally modified to be ripe for cheats and piracy 


Absolutely not bull. Until proven guilty of what you accuse him of, he's innocent. And actually nobody, not even Sony, ever pressed against him charges of piracy or complicity with pirates.

He addmitted guilt when he settled in court, so yes he is guilty and the only reason they didn't press charges is because he didn't directly give it to them, he gave it to everyone which was agaisnt another law, so yes he is guilty and yes it's his fault piracy and online cheating are here and everyone else involved in hacking the ps3, hell their at fault for removal of linux it wasn't taken out until they hacked it, you can blame sony all you want but bottom line no priracy and no cheating online is better then cheating and piracy and being able to play crappy homebrew games no1 even knows how to find 



o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
 

It is... among people who know shit about technology anyway.  If it wasn't common knowledge for Sony... Sony is unbelievably incompetant.

That would be like a Bank claiming ignorance of how bank robbers work.

so you're telling me before the network went down and before anon declared their attack you knew the network would be brought down specifically? that is to say you knew the exact measures they would take to attack sony? and there was no doubt in your mind that maybe they could have attacked via a different route like uploading new forms of firmware or finding some other way to mess with the hardware or software?... bear in mind i'm not saying an attack wasn't expected im saying that the exact type of attack couldn't possibly have been known before hand

I knew Sony would get DDOSed and I knew hackers would try to hack them.

Those are the very basic methods that have basically always been used by angry hackers.

I didn't think the DDOS would bring down PSN though, I thought it would just slow it.  Didn't think sony would have that many flaws in PSN either... but they did.

thats good therefore we agree that the activities which brought psn down ( not the ddos attacks ) couldn't have been anticipated... that was my point all along btw

No... like I said, I thought the activities could be anticipated.  What couldn't be anticipated is Sony's incopetant security.  Sony should know there own itnerent security.



flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

flyingforce said:

[...]

lol at calling geohotz honest

 

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

thats bull, he is one of those losers that idolize rappers he did it for the attention and to be "bad ass" he knew his hack would be used for piracy and cheats 99 out of 100 times and he didn't care not to mention him distributing Sony's code illegally modified to be ripe for cheats and piracy 


Absolutely not bull. Until proven guilty of what you accuse him of, he's innocent. And actually nobody, not even Sony, ever pressed against him charges of piracy or complicity with pirates.

He addmitted guilt when he settled in court, so yes he is guilty and the only reason they didn't press charges is because he didn't directly give it to them, he gave it to everyone which was agaisnt another law, so yes he is guilty and yes it's his fault piracy and online cheating are here and everyone else involved in hacking the ps3, hell their at fault for removal of linux it wasn't taken out until they hacked it, you can blame sony all you want but bottom line no priracy and no cheating online is better then cheating and piracy and being able to play crappy homebrew games no1 even knows how to find 


Actually no he didn't.  Very specifically the settlement says he didn't admit guilt.



Kasz216 said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

flyingforce said:

[...]

lol at calling geohotz honest

 

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

thats bull, he is one of those losers that idolize rappers he did it for the attention and to be "bad ass" he knew his hack would be used for piracy and cheats 99 out of 100 times and he didn't care not to mention him distributing Sony's code illegally modified to be ripe for cheats and piracy 


Absolutely not bull. Until proven guilty of what you accuse him of, he's innocent. And actually nobody, not even Sony, ever pressed against him charges of piracy or complicity with pirates.

He addmitted guilt when he settled in court, so yes he is guilty and the only reason they didn't press charges is because he didn't directly give it to them, he gave it to everyone which was agaisnt another law, so yes he is guilty and yes it's his fault piracy and online cheating are here and everyone else involved in hacking the ps3, hell their at fault for removal of linux it wasn't taken out until they hacked it, you can blame sony all you want but bottom line no priracy and no cheating online is better then cheating and piracy and being able to play crappy homebrew games no1 even knows how to find 


Actually no he didn't.  Very specifically the settlement says he didn't admit guilt.

He wouldn't of settled if he wasn't guilty, so yes settling is an admition of guilt of sorts 



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flyingforce said:
Kasz216 said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

flyingforce said:

[...]

lol at calling geohotz honest

 

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

thats bull, he is one of those losers that idolize rappers he did it for the attention and to be "bad ass" he knew his hack would be used for piracy and cheats 99 out of 100 times and he didn't care not to mention him distributing Sony's code illegally modified to be ripe for cheats and piracy 


Absolutely not bull. Until proven guilty of what you accuse him of, he's innocent. And actually nobody, not even Sony, ever pressed against him charges of piracy or complicity with pirates.

He addmitted guilt when he settled in court, so yes he is guilty and the only reason they didn't press charges is because he didn't directly give it to them, he gave it to everyone which was agaisnt another law, so yes he is guilty and yes it's his fault piracy and online cheating are here and everyone else involved in hacking the ps3, hell their at fault for removal of linux it wasn't taken out until they hacked it, you can blame sony all you want but bottom line no priracy and no cheating online is better then cheating and piracy and being able to play crappy homebrew games no1 even knows how to find 


Actually no he didn't.  Very specifically the settlement says he didn't admit guilt.

He wouldn't of settled if he wasn't guilty, so yes settling is an admition of guilt of sorts 


Er, you don't do know much about the legal system do you.  Innocent people settle all the time... largely because large ass coprorations can drag on court cases for years until people go bankrupt.

Which they do... all the time.

See Bleem! which won, but in winning lost all their money.


Which would you rather do if you were Geohotz?  Keep fighting and hope enough people keep donating to you.... and if not you go bankrupt.  Or settle, admit no wrong doing and suffer basically no penalty.

The odd part is that SONY settled... and settled on such poor terms.

They were the ones who thought they couldn't win.

Heck, you should see how many times Sony has settled in cases.



Kasz216 said:
flyingforce said:
Kasz216 said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

flyingforce said:

[...]

lol at calling geohotz honest

 

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

thats bull, he is one of those losers that idolize rappers he did it for the attention and to be "bad ass" he knew his hack would be used for piracy and cheats 99 out of 100 times and he didn't care not to mention him distributing Sony's code illegally modified to be ripe for cheats and piracy 


Absolutely not bull. Until proven guilty of what you accuse him of, he's innocent. And actually nobody, not even Sony, ever pressed against him charges of piracy or complicity with pirates.

He addmitted guilt when he settled in court, so yes he is guilty and the only reason they didn't press charges is because he didn't directly give it to them, he gave it to everyone which was agaisnt another law, so yes he is guilty and yes it's his fault piracy and online cheating are here and everyone else involved in hacking the ps3, hell their at fault for removal of linux it wasn't taken out until they hacked it, you can blame sony all you want but bottom line no priracy and no cheating online is better then cheating and piracy and being able to play crappy homebrew games no1 even knows how to find 


Actually no he didn't.  Very specifically the settlement says he didn't admit guilt.

He wouldn't of settled if he wasn't guilty, so yes settling is an admition of guilt of sorts 


Er, you don't do know much about the legal system do you.  Innocent people settle all the time... largely because large ass coprorations can drag on court cases for years until people go bankrupt.

Which they do... all the time.

See Bleem! which won, but in winning lost all their money.


Which would you rather do if you were Geohotz?  Keep fighting and hope enough people keep donating to you.... and if not you go bankrupt.  Or settle, admit no wrong doing and suffer basically no penalty.

The odd part is that SONY settled... and settled on such poor terms.

They were the ones who thought they couldn't win.

If I was him I wouldn't distribute a hack and cause piracy and online cheating in the first place not to mention copywrite infringement and he was guilty, it's their code (that he altered) and distributed, how can you argue that, what part of that are you arguing?



flyingforce said:
Kasz216 said:
 


Er, you don't do know much about the legal system do you.  Innocent people settle all the time... largely because large ass coprorations can drag on court cases for years until people go bankrupt.

Which they do... all the time.

See Bleem! which won, but in winning lost all their money.


Which would you rather do if you were Geohotz?  Keep fighting and hope enough people keep donating to you.... and if not you go bankrupt.  Or settle, admit no wrong doing and suffer basically no penalty.

The odd part is that SONY settled... and settled on such poor terms.

They were the ones who thought they couldn't win.

If I was him I wouldn't distribute a hack and cause piracy and online cheating in the first place not to mention copywrite infringement and he was guilty, it's their code (that he altered) and distributed, how can you argue that, what part of that are you arguing?

Well to start with... he didn't distribute their code.  He distibuted a patch that overwrote their code.

Second of all his hack did not allow piracy and online cheating.... and if he did.  That is not illegal. 

See Galoob V Nintendo.

"The Court denied Nintendo's motion for a preliminary injunction, holding that Game Genie did not create a derivative work and also suggesting that even if it did, it might well be fair use. As the district court wrote, "Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment, without creating a derivative work."

Essentially, your entire basic premise of the idea is wrong.



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Kasz216 said:
flyingforce said:
Kasz216 said:
 


Er, you don't do know much about the legal system do you.  Innocent people settle all the time... largely because large ass coprorations can drag on court cases for years until people go bankrupt.

Which they do... all the time.

See Bleem! which won, but in winning lost all their money.


Which would you rather do if you were Geohotz?  Keep fighting and hope enough people keep donating to you.... and if not you go bankrupt.  Or settle, admit no wrong doing and suffer basically no penalty.

The odd part is that SONY settled... and settled on such poor terms.

They were the ones who thought they couldn't win.

If I was him I wouldn't distribute a hack and cause piracy and online cheating in the first place not to mention copywrite infringement and he was guilty, it's their code (that he altered) and distributed, how can you argue that, what part of that are you arguing?

Well to start with... he didn't distribute their code.  He distibuted a patch that overwrote their code.

Second of all his hack did not allow piracy and online cheating.... and if he did.  That is not illegal. 

See Nintendo of America vs Galoob.

ps3s need to download the entire code in order to update if I'm not mistaken thats why firmware updates take so long, so thats a no to that one since custom firmware would have to have it, and his code allowed it after a minor alteration thats like smugging wet drugs, you need to dry them out but they're still drugs