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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
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kevin the wiiite on 07 June 2011

Can we please just agree on the point that Christians should be against homosexuality regardless? I don't see why that's such an issue.
From the other side, if there is no moral code because there is no higher power, then why is anything else evil? There isn't some sort of sliding scale. Evil should be black and white, that's why someone (even if it wasn't God) set down the biblical laws.



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sapphi_snake on 08 June 2011
DélioPT said:
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I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

It can't be anything else but personal. Civil rights issues are thankfully never put to vote anyways. Otherwise we'd still be in the Middle Ages because of people like you.

Personnal would be having something against the person. See the difference?

A homosexual can't take it any other way.


No, you can`t see any other way.

You must be the most thick headed person I've ever met. Don'tknow why I even bother with you people.



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sapphi_snake on 08 June 2011
DélioPT said:
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Well, God created man. And seeing he was lonely, God created woman and so they shall become one flesh. Also that serves for the institution of marriage by God Himself.
That`s why anything beyond that view is seen as a sin.

You can't judge about homosexuality, that's up to God. God is the judge of all, therefore you cannot know if homosexuality is wrong or not. Agreed or not?


Just because we say that this is right and that is wrong, doesn`t mean we are making moral judgments, per se. Given the quote above we do believe that the act of homosexuality is a sin and that`s what we believe. There might more reasons to consider it a sin, but that`s what i know or can remember.

Then how would you define "sin"? I'd say it's a violation of a moral law.

A sin is something that goes against God and that means what He is and what He says.

And what does what he is or says matter in the first place?



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake on 08 June 2011
osamanobama said:
Chrizum said:
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A sin is something that goes against God and that means what He is and what He says.

Then let God decide about homosexuals. Disapproving homesexuality by denying them rights heterosexuals do have is playing God. If there's one thing you christians shouldn't do, is acting like you're God.


If we did what you ask we would forsake God one way or another. If there`s one thing God wants is for His words to be known.

So you're choosing which religious rules to act on for your own benefit. You can't live by christian moral law anyway so why torture yourself?

I really don't want to get dragged into this, but I must point out that He has already decided on this.

Please clarify.

Calls homosexuality an abomination in the Book of Leviticus.  I may be misinterpretting what I've bolded, since I only saw that post and decided to answer.

God didn't write the Book of Leviticus.

yes he did

No, he didn't. I can't believe someone can seriously think that.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake on 08 June 2011
kevin the wiiite said:
Can we please just agree on the point that Christians should be against homosexuality regardless? I don't see why that's such an issue.
From the other side, if there is no moral code because there is no higher power, then why is anything else evil? There isn't some sort of sliding scale. Evil should be black and white, that's why someone (even if it wasn't God) set down the biblical laws.

I'm pretty sure you also don't see why it was an issue that people thought blacks were inferior to whites. And necessity (based on your logic) is not proof that God exists, it's only a manifestation of your desire for him to exist.

Did you also call homosexuality evil? Do you have any way to objectively prove that, other than "God says so" or "it's against God"?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake on 08 June 2011
DélioPT said:
Chrizum said:
 

So you're choosing which religious rules to act on for your own benefit. You can't live by christian moral law anyway so why torture yourself?

For my benefit? I don`t see how. So to you it`s all or nothing. It`s your view of life not mine.

That's how your religion works. You just proved that you're a hypocrite. I guess it's quite easy for you to pick on gays for their so-called "sin", to make yourself feel all righteous, since you yourself are not gay.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Jaos on 08 June 2011

It shouldn't be difficult to find the answer to this question on your own: Do you think you would be able to become gay through choice? That doesn't mean just kiss a man, but to like it. If you're not able to change what you like, then it has to be something that's determined at or before early childhood.

Also, talking with gays helps finding the answer, because most will tell you that they struggled coming to terms with their sexuality and didn't want to be gay (at first).

edit: Sigh, just saw that this thread had already turned into a bible war...



The Fury on 08 June 2011
DélioPT said:
The Fury said:

Yep, that's the perfect answer. A religious person (as it's against their beliefs) or just say a person what was brought up thinking it was wrong will see it as that. A non-religious person will view it as nothing being wrong at all (unless they are just homophobic or something that's a completely different issue),.

Going back in the conversation, 'Civil Marriage' was mentioned. In the UK we have 2 legal versions of 'marriage', one is marriage which is a term still used and associated with opposite gender unions, the other is the civil partnership, which is commonly associated with same sex unions. While the former is associated with the church, the other is not. Other then the name and religious associations, there is no legal difference. For all intent and purposes, they are married whatever the name.

The point being that while in the eyes of the Church (Christianity) same sex couples cannot be married but in the eyes of the law they can get a civil partnership and have the same legal rights as a 'married couple'. In this case marriage is just a term.

So when Sapphi mentions Civil Marriage, it's in a context where Christianity is not involved... I presume.


I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

I am not trying to change your opinion on the term marriage, just explain the difference between a civil partnership and a marriage in terms of government/law and church.

Sadly, I wish it were so that 2 people living together for a certain time get the same rights, in the UK they didn't. They could be in a more stable loving relationship for longer then hundreds of straight couples yet if one died unexpectingly the other wouldn't get things if they weren't in the will (or there was none).

While it's not personal to them directly, a gay person would still be hurt by it. If someone said they liked me personally but then discriminated against British people, said how we are horrible and used our shady history to show a dislike for the British, I'd still take offence to this even if it's not directed at me.



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DélioPT on 08 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:

You must be the most thick headed person I've ever met. Don'tknow why I even bother with you people.


I`ll take that as a complement! :D



DélioPT on 08 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

A sin is something that goes against God and that means what He is and what He says.

And what does what he is or says matter in the first place?


You already know the answer to your own question.