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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
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MrBubbles on 07 June 2011
DélioPT said:
MrBubbles said:
God surely intended for their to be sin. otherwise he wouldnt have given humans free will. and how else would he test people but through personal challenges with the temptation of sin.


It`s not God that tempts people, it`s the devil. No is forced to anything, people choose what they see fit, for whatever reason. There couldn`t be humanity, without free will and there couldn`t exist free will with no responsability.

 

the devil is a creation of god.  and therefore it doesnt matter whos face you pretend to see.  if god can put an end to the devil at any time he chooses then not acting against the devil means that either he is condoning the devils actions(and therefore sin is gods will) or that the devil has become powerful enough to rival god.  you know...if his own creations have the power to equal or surpass god then we should strive for that rather than be bootlickers.

 

 

and btw Eve is the product of a homosexual union between god and adam.  just thought youd like to know.  eve has two fathers and one of them even molested her. 



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sapphi_snake on 07 June 2011
osamanobama said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

It can't be anything else but personal. Civil rights issues are thankfully never put to vote anyways. Otherwise we'd still be in the Middle Ages because of people like you.

you're very closed minded

Seriosuly? Of all the possible accusations? And coming from you no less...



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sapphi_snake on 07 June 2011
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:
 

Once again, where did i enforce anything? Did i even used the expression "you have to"? You are accsusing me, once again, of doing something that i didn`t. I shared an opinion regarding a subject, that was all. Where did i ever tried enforcing my view on anyone?

About civil gay marriage, read the post above this one, explaining why i and others could object to gay marriage.
It isn`t just the view regarding an institution, i hope that you can understand that.

What I uderstand is that your entire post is inconsistent. How can you say that you don't want to enforce anything, right after claiming that you'd vote against gay marriage, subsequently interfering in other people's personal lives, and forcing them to act the way you want to.

You're a liar!


Objecting or abstaining is one thing, forcing something is another. I`m not forcing people to be like me, but at the same time i just can`t say it`s ok to something that i don`t see being right, whatever is the object of discussion.

Voting, or creating laws that harm homosexuals is "forcing". It means exactly denying homosexuals the possibility to live their lives the way they see fit (granted, you don't think people should have that right).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake on 07 June 2011
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

It can't be anything else but personal. Civil rights issues are thankfully never put to vote anyways. Otherwise we'd still be in the Middle Ages because of people like you.

Personnal would be having something against the person. See the difference?

A homosexual can't take it any other way.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake on 07 June 2011
MrBubbles said:

 

the devil is a creation of god.  and therefore it doesnt matter whos face you pretend to see.  if god can put an end to the devil at any time he chooses then not acting against the devil means that either he is condoning the devils actions(and therefore sin is gods will) or that the devil has become powerful enough to rival god.  you know...if his own creations have the power to equal or surpass god then we should strive for that rather than be bootlickers.

 

 

and btw Eve is the product of a homosexual union between god and adam.  just thought youd like to know.  eve has two fathers and one of them even molested her. 

Well, not really. But Eve is part of Adam, which is creepy anyway...



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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DélioPT on 07 June 2011
MrBubbles said:
DélioPT said:
MrBubbles said:
God surely intended for their to be sin. otherwise he wouldnt have given humans free will. and how else would he test people but through personal challenges with the temptation of sin.


It`s not God that tempts people, it`s the devil. No is forced to anything, people choose what they see fit, for whatever reason. There couldn`t be humanity, without free will and there couldn`t exist free will with no responsability.

 

the devil is a creation of god.  and therefore it doesnt matter whos face you pretend to see.  if god can put an end to the devil at any time he chooses then not acting against the devil means that either he is condoning the devils actions(and therefore sin is gods will) or that the devil has become powerful enough to rival god.  you know...if his own creations have the power to equal or surpass god then we should strive for that rather than be bootlickers.

 

 

and btw Eve is the product of a homosexual union between god and adam.  just thought youd like to know.  eve has two fathers and one of them even molested her. 


Free will allows for you to choose your path. You will not enter heaven if you don`t deserve it. Know what this means.


The last part, not only is an absurd, it`s just insulting.



DélioPT on 07 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

It can't be anything else but personal. Civil rights issues are thankfully never put to vote anyways. Otherwise we'd still be in the Middle Ages because of people like you.

Personnal would be having something against the person. See the difference?

A homosexual can't take it any other way.


No, you can`t see any other way.



MrBubbles on 07 June 2011

adam went spelunking in gods mud cave. deal with it.



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TruckOSaurus on 07 June 2011
DélioPT said:
MrBubbles said:

 

the devil is a creation of god.  and therefore it doesnt matter whos face you pretend to see.  if god can put an end to the devil at any time he chooses then not acting against the devil means that either he is condoning the devils actions(and therefore sin is gods will) or that the devil has become powerful enough to rival god.  you know...if his own creations have the power to equal or surpass god then we should strive for that rather than be bootlickers.

 

 

and btw Eve is the product of a homosexual union between god and adam.  just thought youd like to know.  eve has two fathers and one of them even molested her. 


Free will allows for you to choose your path. You will not enter heaven if you don`t deserve it. Know what this means.


The last part, not only is an absurd, it`s just insulting.

Yeah since Adam and Eve never existed in the first place.



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Chrizum on 07 June 2011
DélioPT said:
Chrizum said:
DélioPT said:
 


Well, God created man. And seeing he was lonely, God created woman and so they shall become one flesh. Also that serves for the institution of marriage by God Himself.
That`s why anything beyond that view is seen as a sin.

You can't judge about homosexuality, that's up to God. God is the judge of all, therefore you cannot know if homosexuality is wrong or not. Agreed or not?


Just because we say that this is right and that is wrong, doesn`t mean we are making moral judgments, per se. Given the quote above we do believe that the act of homosexuality is a sin and that`s what we believe. There might more reasons to consider it a sin, but that`s what i know or can remember.

Then how would you define "sin"? I'd say it's a violation of a moral law.