Forcing what? Tolerance and consideration? Even than i didn`t force anything, i asked for.
But if presenting an opinion or a view of the world that you don`t like, then yes, i`m forcing... like every single person who objects another person`s way of doing or thinking things. But who on this life doesn`t do that on one subject or the other?

Well, his definition is essentially: homosexual = person who has sex with someone of the same sex as themselves.

You're definately not advocating for tolerance and consideration. You also must understand that telling people that their very being is dirty and evil is a HATEFUL thing. You don't get to use the religion card in these situations. Mind your own business!

actually, i found his position slightly contradictory...but ideally i would have liked him to respond with that...  it would have been amusing to get him to say he isnt straight.  (since hes "saving himself for marriage" and the action defines it, then he is not a straight person)

Yes i am advocating tolerance and consideration. Who said that someone`s very being is dirty and evil? It seems like you read what you wanna read.

Your last two phrases or the perfect example of the lack of tolerance and consideration that you pointed at me. Weird isn`t?
Please, be a little more respectful with your comments.

You're not advocating for tolerance and consideration. You're trying to shame people, and make them feel bad about who they are and about theur natural desires, and you're encouraging them to spiritually themselves and their very beings, so they fit with your ideea of what the world should be like.

I was very respectful when I said "mind your own business". At the end of the day what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom, and how people choose to live their personal lives is of no concern to you. This is the beauty of the world we live in now. The dominant class can no longer surpress individuals that are part of minorities, label them as abnormal or deviants, and try to get them to become like them. Conformity and sameness are no longer virtues, and people aren't abnormal, deviant, or "evil" because they are not like the majority. You can no longer regulate every aspect of a person's life.

So stop trying to turn other people into clones of yourself, and embrace your freedom, rather than being an enemy of freedom like you are now.

I think you should read carefully what other people write as to not put words in their moutgs that, not even in a lifetime, tehy would say.
I try to shame people? That`s a new one. When did i ever state that i didn`t sin? If i sin one way, you sin another, he/she sin another. Never did i try to shame anyone.
Let me get this right, when you speak of your world view, there isn`t imposition of any ideals, but when i do, i am imposing something. Did i appeal to something? As i was told you, people are free to do whatever they want to. In this case, you don`t see anything wrong with it but it do. Tomorrow, should we switch sides, shouls i tell in a subtle way to go away - which you did with the "mind your own business". Because being polite only covers so much.

"So stop trying to turn other people into clones of yourself, and embrace your freedom, rather than being an enemy of freedom like you are now."
When did you seem try to convert anyone? Stating an opinion isn`t the same as trying to convert. Because if it is, than you are doing the same thing as you are trying to make people see the world as you see it.

Also if you are a teacher in Newfoundland then you would know Canada's official position on Gay marriage, also as a teacher in Newfoundland you are not using BC corriculumn. My mom is also a teacher she teaches grade K-7 in a one room school house. Here in BC their are books kids have to read according to corriculumn that show a kid with two dadies. The idea was put fourth by a gay couple living in BC that said showing a mother and dad in books as normal lead to bullying and that kids should be taught from an early age that two dad's is normal.

K, I searched and read up all of the prescribed learning outcomes in BC for the course Planning 10. There really only is one possible outcome you could have taken issue with given the context of our exchange:

• propose appropriate individual and school strategies that

             promote respect for diversity (e.g., diversity of race, culture,
             gender, sexual orientation, age, socio-economics, mental or
             physical ability)

Any interpretation of that outcome is at the discretion of the teacher. Promoting respect is hardly objectable. So there's nothing at all, really, that is the problem with the curriculum. An overzealous school? Perhaps, but not the curriculum.

On another note, what's exactly wrong about having a picture of a child with two dads? It isn't as if it is shown exclusively, I'm sure. I just don't understand the worry here. What possible negative effect do you think that that would have on a kid?

But the gay movement bullying people like that is unnacceptable.

I really don't know what to say. Bullying on terms is deplorable. Though I find it difficult to empathize with people complaining about being bullied for actively deriding a whole group of people.

Plus I was bullied for many things, including homophobia.

If you take issue with people's being, keep it to yourself. Otherwise, of course people will be upset with you for telling them to not be themself, and that doing so is an act of heresy punishable by nothing less than eternal damnation. Pretty heavy stuff to be telling people. Expect a heavy response. It is anatagonizing to be telling people this, you know.

To be clear, I'm not condoning what those people may have done to you.

Here are the facts, based on my friends and experiances with gays not all are born that way. Disagree with my personal experiances I don't really give a crap.

I actually stated that I didn't fully subscribe to that notion, either. I mentioned I thought along the lines of both Mr. Khan and Kasz, in that I thought of it as a sliding scale.

Please at least make to effort to read what I'd wrote and respond in kind, or simply don't respond at all. It's discourteous. And I hate having to take an aggresive tone because of it.

My hate for what the gay movement has done in Canada and how gay people treated me and tried to convince me I was gay is why I dislike the movement.

We clearly have different ideas on how the gay movement has shaped Canada, both in magnitude and in morphology.

Also the corriculumn made grade ten students watch Broke Back Mountain. Yes I was given a sheet of paper with a diagram on how to have homosexual sex. Was it in the corriculumn I do not know. But I do know many things the gay movement wants in our schools is.

The curriculum did not make gr. 10 students watch that. I've actually read the curriculum. Your teacher did. Secondly, why shouldn't it be in schools? Have you not admitted, yourself, that it is natural (not by choice in some cases)? Why would a secular school omit such important topics?

Now you say your a Canadian, then you should be aware of most of these things.

I am Canadian. However, these things (for the most part of what you'd mentioned) are non issues. If you wish to avoid information about natural things that you have issue with, go to a religious school.

Now you say about being proud to be different. Well I am Autistic, I deserve a parade and I deserve to be treated equally. But guess what I was treated like shit by those poor mistreated gay people. Now I have friends who are gay.

Hell, autistic children are bullied by all walks of children... not just by gay ones. Lord, do you even hear yourself? Discrimination is unacceptable at any level. Why is awareness now greater for homosexuality? The answer is simple; there are more gay people than there are autistic. Same reason why the sufferage movement came before the African-American movement in  the mid-20th century. Is it fair? Not really, but complaining becuase another discriminated minority finally has a voive comes off as both bitter and distasteful.

And of course autistic people would deserve a parade. But that's not what this is about.

But as I said their are two sides to every coin. Some are gay by choice others by being born with homosexual tendencies. I see no reason why being born different should lead to privelages. I mean seriously everyones always Gay rights this Gay rights that.

It's not as if they're getting preferential treatment. You don't have to let them butt in line at the grocery store, nor do they pay less taxes. They most certainly don't have an easier time in schools than you average kid. What privledges are you talking about? Having their picture featured in a grade 10 health book? ;)

Now Pearl I'll admit you didn't attack me directly but attacking my credibility and trying to downplay my experiances is stupid.

I'm downplaying your experiences because they are simply the experiences of only one person. My intention isn't to come off as insensitive to your posistion. It's just that you're creating a schema of things solely based on personal experience. It's completely unedifying. Completely.

I won't be dragged into a war of words, like other users with my beliefs I'd rather not go into a 50-page convo where I just get attacked again and again for my beliefs.

I'm not attacking your beliefs, simply your refusal to look outside you personal schema. You don't need to create a 50 page anything, just simply respond to points made or concede. I will not attack your beliefs. It's just discourteous to side-step during a discussion.

But you know what it doesn't matter how I view gay people. Because nobody cares. I view them as equals created perfectly by God. But all people see is my position on the gay movement. They classify me a homophobe and it doesn't matter how much I argue differently bigotry continues to stereo type me.

That's because you state that by them acting true to themselves, they are committing an act so heiness that it deserves eternal hell, and no less, as punishment; It's that deplorable! Now I know, you didn't say it like that, but that is how it comes off (the meaning is the same) You have to understand how offensive it is to hear that said to you, regardless of one's beliefs It's just not tactful.

The fact that you say that being gay is a sin is despicable. That's shaming peopple and forcing them to repress and mutilate themselves, in order to become like yourself, because you and your kind have deemed that only people like you are "normal", and everyone who's different is "deviant" and "evil", and has to change.

I'm not putting anything in your mouth, I'm just explainign to you what your beliefs mean, and why people are against them.

The fact that you say that being gay is a sin is despicable. That's shaming peopple and forcing them to repress and mutilate themselves, in order to become like yourself, because you and your kind have deemed that only people like you are "normal", and everyone who's different is "deviant" and "evil", and has to change.

I'm not putting anything in your mouth, I'm just explainign to you what your beliefs mean, and why people are against them.