I remember how defensive he got when I accused Christian missionaries of running a conversion ploy in 3rd world countries. It's quite ironic that he makes such statements.

The dictionary definition is "sexual desire or behaviour directed toward a person or person's of one's own sex". This definition is pretty poor, if you ask me. It's too inclusive, ecompassing individuals who may not actually be homosexual, regarding their sexual orientation.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homosexuality

A better one comes from the  American Psychological Assosication: "Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others" (in the case of homosexuality, replace "others" with "people of the same sex").

Source: http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

@Joel. I think you will find that homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness because outside of discrimination or conflictions with personal beliefs it by itself does not cause distress or disability. Autism on the other hand does.

Also calling it genetic is far from proven, there is no 'gay gene' though a variety of genetic factors probably do contribute. However comparison to genetic disorders is plain out wrong - those hinge on a single harmful mutation whereas homosexuality certainly does not.

Also the reason why some of the gay community do things like gay pride parades and getting education into school is because they're trying to remove the discrimination they face in society from people like you who go on about how they're a bunch of sinners.

Man Pearl Jammer, your taking this way too far. I didn't intend to offend Truck I was simply stating my beliefs and position. Also if you are a teacher in Newfoundland then you would know Canada's official position on Gay marriage, also as a teacher in Newfoundland you are not using BC corriculumn. My mom is also a teacher she teaches grade K-7 in a one room school house. Here in BC their are books kids have to read according to corriculumn that show a kid with two dadies. The idea was put fourth by a gay couple living in BC that said showing a mother and dad in books as normal lead to bullying and that kids should be taught from an early age that two dad's is normal.

Now the gay movement has done many things in Canada that are plain wrong. They picketed my church and I saw a gay pride parade where their were nude women and men marching in the streets of vancouver. Honestly I don't care what you believe about the gay rights movement. But in Canada it is illegal to go nude in the streets and I don't care if your Prime Minister Harper nobody should be above the law just because your different.

Also my Pastor when Gay Marriage was passed was forced to Marry a gay couple against his will under threat from the BC Government to revoke his liscense. Now some have said that the Government changed their position and his liscense was never taken away. But the gay movement bullying people like that is unnacceptable.

Other things like demanding seperate washrooms in my local University is also unnacceptable. Plus I was bullied for many things, including homophobia. I have both friends and enemies who are gay and Bi and among many things I was bullied for my stance that homosexuality is a sin was apparently unnacceptable to many people.

Fact is I don't hate gay's and I don't hate Truck. I have friends who are gay, including Christian's who are gay. When I say they try to justify it is because they do. Fact is its a sin and if your a Christian then you know its a sin. Trying to make excuses is wrong. Its like if a couple cheats on each other, it doesn't matter how you excuse it, your still sinning. Its like when I view pornography their is no excuse its wrong and I don't try to pretend its right.

Here are the facts, based on my friends and experiances with gays not all are born that way. Disagree with my personal experiances I don't really give a crap.

I never said anything offensive, at least nothing my gay friends and Bi friend haven't already heard.

My hate for what the gay movement has done in Canada and how gay people treated me and tried to convince me I was gay is why I dislike the movement.

I'll let you in on a secret. I'm apparently Metro, everyone thought I was gay and I had gay friends some out of the closet others who came out more recently. I had several make passes at me and a close friend who was Bi try to get me in on a three way.

At the school I went to alot of students were gay and Bi. I've said it before but of course inconsiderate dumb asses said I made it up. But in school I was bullied for being a homophobe.

Also the corriculumn made grade ten students watch Broke Back Mountain. Yes I was given a sheet of paper with a diagram on how to have homosexual sex. Was it in the corriculumn I do not know. But I do know many things the gay movement wants in our schools is.

Brain washing students is wrong. The Gay Movement forcing pastors to marry gay couples is wrong. Demanding seperate bathrooms and picketing church's, calling for the Bible to be banned as hate speech (Yes it was demanded here in Canada) is wrong.

I am all for every gay person being treated equally with dignity and respect but the Gay rights movement has gone beyond that. Its no longer about dignity and respect its about forcing its way on those that disagree.

Now you say your a Canadian, then you should be aware of most of these things.

Now you say about being proud to be different. Well I am Autistic, I deserve a parade and I deserve to be treated equally. But guess what I was treated like shit by those poor mistreated gay people. Now I have friends who are gay.

But as I said their are two sides to every coin. Some are gay by choice others by being born with homosexual tendencies. I see no reason why being born different should lead to privelages. I mean seriously everyones always Gay rights this Gay rights that.

What about the rights of the rest of the people. What about a Pastor's right to not marry a gay couple because it goes against his religion. What about a whole religions Holy Book being called hate speech and a group trying to ban it.

Fact is the Gay movement has been oppressive and very hostile towards Christian's and their religious beliefs. The movement is selfish its not about being treated equally its about getting what ever they want at all costs.

I'm sorry if some gays get mistreated. But the organised movement isn't going to get any respect by breaking and changing laws and oppressing peoples beliefs and freedoms.

As for Truck sorry if you were offended by anything I said. Pearl Jammer, honestly as a Canadian you should be aware of what the gay movement is and has done in this country. You should understand why fellow Canadian's are upset.

I hate these gay convo's because Christian's and a few who disagree with the majority come under attack. Ruthless stupid attacks of page after page of hate or judgement. Now Pearl I'll admit you didn't attack me directly but attacking my credibility and trying to downplay my experiances is stupid.

Most people these days here on VGChartz and other online networks are too afraid to speak up about contriversial things like homosexuality. I know of several users who agree with my stances, but are probably scared to say anything. Why, because they will get flamed to kingdom come.

I won't be dragged into a war of words, like other users with my beliefs I'd rather not go into a 50-page convo where I just get attacked again and again for my beliefs.

I answered the question differently then many, I have already stated I have gay friends and a Bi friend. But you know what it doesn't matter how I view gay people. Because nobody cares. I view them as equals created perfectly by God. But all people see is my position on the gay movement. They classify me a homophobe and it doesn't matter how much I argue differently bigotry continues to stereo type me.

I didn't want to offend Truck, I have homosexual friends, I just hate how oppressive the movement is here in Canada. I don't hate gay people I hate the movement and the sin. Hate the sin not the sinner. You wanna stereo type me go ahead.

Its sad that some people just can't accept people have different views then they do.

Man, this discussion's still going on? Wow. Just let it go already. Gays are here, deal with it, they're not going away. In fact, there's only going to be more and more because it's becoming more and more accepted. Nothing you can do about it.

Well no gay gene has been found yet, it is an unexplained phenomina. But I have friends who swear they were born liking people of the same sex. I also believe people choose the lifestyle in some cases and others its a mental issue.

Now a few months ago I said I didn't believe their was any genetic's about it. But recently a childhood friend came out of the closet and I believe him when he says he always liked guys. So I have changed my stance abit. I make my stances based on experiance and facts.

So do I think homosexuality is genetic? While its an abnormality if its not genetic it is mental. Whether their is a gay gene or not doesn't matter. If it is not choice then its an anomally caused by gene's or hormone inbalance or something else. Science just hasn't explained it yet.

Also about being a bunch of sinners, its a common thing many non-Christian's go on and on about. They think somehow they are better then everyone else and not sinners. But fact is Christian's don't claim to be perfect, infact claiming so would be borderline blasphemy.

I sin every day, I admit it and so do most if not all Christian's. If your a Christian you sin. So why is it that its so offensive to be called human? Sinning is human according to Christianity, every single man on earth has sinned with the exception of Jesus himself. So why do people think its so offensive to be called a sinner? What makes them better then me or anyone else who believes what I do?

Rath you and I get along and I like how you approached this. That is why I replied to you.

The gay movement started to fight oppression I admire that. But the second they start forcing pastors to do things against their will, start picketing church's and trying to ban someones religious Holy Book. It becomes personal. Now I may be biased because almost all of the Gay movement's attacks have been against my own beliefs. But for me to say "Hey the gay movement is great" would be a lie.

I'm being honest not trying to offend anyone just stating facts and my beliefs.

Umm Yah Sapphi thats because Missionaries don't help people soully to convert them. It is great to see people convert to my beliefs but I don't go about forcing people to my beliefs and neither do real Christian missionaries.

Its funny that other then Truck, this is like a repeat conversation. I even recall debating with Pearl Jammer before about this very topic.

As I said sorry Truck if I offended you. But Mr.Bubbles, Sapphi myself and Pearl Jammer debate quite heatedly. I debate more civily with Rath. But the group of us are often on the opposite side.

Again Truck Its nothing personal. I don't hate gays and am not homphobe. I just have a different view then most users. Apparently then you, but I don't mean to insult anyone.

I hear people proclaim they were gay all their lives; i hear people proclaim they were but then they realised they were wrong, that they weren`t.
Honestly, i don`t care if one is born with such inclination or it goes that way during their lives and i don`t think that it should matter to anyone, in a sense. Because, for us christians, it doesn`t matter how you were born, it`s what you do that makes it ok or not.
We nor anyone should have anything against this or that person, but we do see the act of homosexuality as a sin. If people don`t agree at least try to understand our point of view: we do not wish for anyone to be descriminated for the person they are - even if some people do descriminate - but understand that, believing in what we believe, we cannot be by your side if you decide to practice homosexuality.

as i always say, and as Joelcoll said it, we are only against sins not the person behind it.

It should be noted that Joel went to a mythical school where Catholic kids threw orgy parties, the majority of people were gay, and the non-gay kids were bullied for not being gay.

Your point of view means forcing people to be something other than thay are. It doesn't deserve any respect.