what i said was clearly an edit because i said the almost the exact same thing as akvod and his posted before mine. you seemed to understand that when you said "you two" ...?

people might like to be discriminated against because they are masochists.  your proceeding question about immigration makes assumptions about these masochists that arent even suggested. 

My undying love for Louis C.K. comepels me to post these relevant, hilarious and representative (of my views) videos:

Your missing the point. Yes it has existed probably since people began. It is not that society "makes" someone gay directly. It strongly influences how we see the world. If a society does not care or structures its' views on homosexuality differently you get different results. Some cultures have - and a few still do  - actually enourage some forms of same sex relationships for various reasons. In those culture sex is defined differently.  That definition shapes how the people in that society interact, and how they behave.

Society does not "make" one gay, it defines one as gay. The set of sterotypes, and expectations for homosexuals that we believe in are purely a fancy of culture. Our views on what is the right type of sex and shen it should happen is also made by culture. A person's attractions is independant of society, but society shapes how that person acts and interacts with society.

and the fact that animals practice same sex coupling does not disprove or prove the causes of society or genetics on sexual preference.  Many animals do not have as complex thought processes as we do. Asssuming that our ability to think does not possibly differentiante us from them is a fallacy. Also, some of our relatively close cousins the Bonobos are - in western soceity's view- kinky little freaks. Sex is a basic part of social interactionfor them, and it is as common as a handshake . They have very complex rules for how sex happens, and they practice sex in all forms. They are matriarchal and it is very common for sex to happen as part of the ruling process.

people have a tendancy to assume that whatever definition they are used to is a real thing. Most definitions, if not nearly all, are constructed. The traits that a "normal" man or woman should have are defined by society.

Try to define "funny", "good", "bad", :"justice", "comfort" and you will find that each person has a slightly different take on things. Our society filters and directs us to have mostly similar views, but when you start interacting with even more people from more society's you will start to get even more view points. Definitions are cultural, and that culture has implications. There are not many things you can possibly define in stark terms, because there are no universal and permamanent definitions.

the concept of defect is socially constructed. It could  be based in whole or in part on genetics. Whether we view it as good or bad is in how we define it, not in the gentic code itself. Most peole wouldn't consider hair or eye color to be overly important in terms of evaluating a person's worth in our society. In 1940's germany there was a different defintion of what genetic traits were good and bad.

Gay/les being masochists is the massive assumption here. It's funny.

Other example: left-handed people were considered evil in the Middle Ages. Twins were also considered to bring bad luck in some societies.

@^ also excelletn examples thank you.

I'm on the fence about people being born gay but I I'm 100% positive that it's not a choice at all.

Btw, are there any gay people on here who think it's a choice? I'm assuming all the people who say it is probably aren't.

You really are digging yourself a deeper hole with using that slang.

Having a few friends who are gay and Bi I must say its a mix of both born that way and choice. I have a few friends who became Gay and Bi later in life. One says he liked girls up until he had sex with a man. Now that individual in my opinion chose to be gay, he experimented sexually liked the experiance and then made the choice to have sex with other men.

However I also have had a recent friend come out of the closet who never dated a girl and while I had no clue he was gay he claims to be genuine and never to have liked girls. So in his case I'd say he was born with a disability.

Homosexuality is a disease as I'd call it. Its a genetic deficiency that occurs in a few people out of every million or so. Like autism or Downsyndrome, however I believe that many homosexuals are not actually gay by this disease, from personal experiances with my friends who are gay most are gay by choice.

The gay movement is not about respecting someone based on their genetic disposition, it is about converting people over to their belief.

Also while I believe that some people may be infected by this disease (Homosexuality) sleeping with an individual of the same sex is still a choice and as such homosexual acts are no less a choice then heterosexual acts.

Example as a Christian I believe in celebacy till marriage, if I never get married I will be celebate till death. Monks and Nun's take vows of celebacy and do not have sex during their entire lives, yet they are straight and are tempted to have sex constantly. As such someone who is gay and is attracted to people of the same sex, is not forced to sin (Have sex) the choice to sin is made.

I know a gay individual who was getting married to a lesbian. Both were apparently gay yet they loved each other and were getting married. They planned on having kids and apparently had sex. Now he got in a car accident and was paralyzed from the kneck down, so she left him. However it proves my point just because your gay doesn't mean you have an excuse to have sex with another man (Biblically or morally).

As such I believe in two types of homosexuality. The sinning type (Having sex with another man) and the good one (Choosing to abstain) rather then sin. Or the even better one find a woman you love and marry her regardless of whether you like men or not.

Fact is acts of homosexuality are for sure a choice, whether or not you like the same sex, maybe not. But in the end the final choice to sin, is still a choice! So I would say I disagree with both answers on the poll. I don't think having homosexual desires is a choice, but acting on those desires is!